Following potential 2015 draftees
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No to Zeller. And good riddance to Kaminsky.
seattlejazzfan
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Whatever gets you out of your hole.
framer
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That stat isn't a damning as you think it is. It just means that Wright took the shot off the pick more often. He ranks fourth on points created by assist, and the margin is much larger. Also if you track by possession rather than just 40 minutes, Wright ranks 5th. It just means that Utah ran the pick and roll more often than did the other teams with top lead guard prospects. seattlejazzfan isn't necessarily wrong.
Pick and Roll Points per-40 Minutes Adjusted for Pace
The proliferation of the pick and roll as staple of NBA offenses places a premium on the ability of a player to score in the two man game. The league's top guards score around a third of their points per game handling the ball in the pick and roll, albeit at varying levels of efficiency. As is the case with shot creation in general, the varying degree in the level of competition of our sample of draft prospects hampers our ability to make a real apples-to-apples comparison. Cameron Payne was outstanding in the OVC in both one-on-one and pick and roll situations, but was clearly in better position to create for himself against the less athletic competition he faced on a nightly basis. Even so, the per-minute productivity of our sample of prospects pales in comparison to that of the top NBA guards, as NBA teams fall back on high level shot creators far more frequently than their college counterparts. The number in parentheses is each player's points per possession as the ball handler in the pick and roll.
Top Prospect Leaders
Delon Wright 7.1 (0.92)
Cameron Payne 7 (0.94)
Joseph Young 6.4 (0.92)
D'Angelo Russell 6.3 (0.97)
Olivier Hanlan 5.7 (0.81)
We're talking stricly pick n roll, it doesn't matter who ran the pick n roll more.
Say Utah ran it 100 times with Delon Wright as the ball handler and they scored 95 points off of it, that's 0.95 points per possession as the ball handler in the pick n roll.
Now say Murray St. ran it 30 times with Cam Payne as the ball handler and they scored 28 points off of it, that's 0.93 points per possession as the ball handler.
Jazz4ever
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I kind of like it if they wouldn't ask for Hood, but they would.
From Chad Ford's last Big Board 12.0:
9. Devin Booker
Booker also was unranked in Big Board 1.0 thanks to concerns about playing time and a lack of elite athletic ability. However, his stock rose with playing time, and by the end of the season many scouts believed he was the best shooter in the draft. With so many 3-point shooting teams thriving in the playoffs, his stock rose even higher in the last month or so. He's now in the mix to go as high as the Pistons at No. 8. The Hornets will give him very strong consideration at No. 9. He'll also get looks from the Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12, the Suns at No. 13 and the Thunder at No. 14.
10. Stanley Johnson
Many scouts saw Johnson as a star coming into his freshman season. A number of them had him in their top 5 and we had him ranked No. 8 on Big Board 1.0. Once the season started, concerns began to mount about his athleticism and ability to finish at the rim. While teams love his NBA body and motor, does he have the skill set or explosive athletic ability to be a star? With just one day to go before the draft, some teams still have him ranked in the 5-to-10 range. Others have him 15-to-20. The Pistons, Hornets, Heat, Pacers, Jazz and Suns seem like the six best bets to take him.
12. Trey Lyles
Lyles didn't start the season ranked on the Big Board primarily because of concerns about playing time. Scouts figured that Kentucky's freshmen, sans Towns, would probably play limited roles this year. Thanks to Calipari's platoon system, all of them played bigger minutes than anyone expected and Lyles' stock has steadily risen all year to the point that a number of teams now have him in the top 10 -- despite the fact that he only played 20 minutes per game and was mostly out of position all year. That's a testament to Lyles' great size, skill set and basketball IQ.
His draft range is one of the trickiest to figure out. The Knicks, for example, are looking at him at No. 4. The Pistons like him at No. 8. But his sweet spot is probably the Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12, the Celtics at No. 16 or, at the very least, the Bucks at No. 17. That's a pretty huge range for a guy this close to the draft, but he's been hard to nail down.
13. Myles Turner
Turner continues to be somewhat of an enigma. He began the year ranked No. 5 in Big Board 1.0 and there are still scouts who believe that's where he should be in Big Board 12.0. The problem is there are numerous others who think he belongs more in the late teens to early 20s. There are few prospects more polarizing. The scouts who love him point to his size, length, rim protection and shooting ability. The scouts who don't point out he struggled against top competition and isn't an elite athlete. Turner's ceiling is probably the Heat at No. 10. The Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12 and the Suns at No. 13 are all potential landing spots as well.
14. Sam Dekker
Dekker is another polarizing prospect. Some teams love him and always have. Others aren't nearly as sold. He's clearly got NBA size, athleticism and toughness. The question centers on his jump shot. When it goes in, he looks like a lottery pick. When it doesn't, he looks like a late first-rounder. Dekker's stock has been consistent all year as well. He was No. 18 on Big Board 1.0 and ends at No. 16. His range start with the Pistons at No. 8 (he's actually in very strong consideration there if Hezonja is off the board), and includes the Heat, Pacers, Jazz, Suns, Hawks, Celtics and Bucks.
15. Frank Kaminsky
Kaminsky's rise on our draft board over the past few months has been interesting. Before the season, scouts were skeptical he could repeat a stellar performance in the NCAA tournament and he was initially ranked at No. 35. A strong senior season saw him quickly move up the board and he's been in the mid-teens ever since. Some teams see him even higher. They love his shooting ability and think it will translate. Others aren't sure that his game will survive the migration from Bo Ryan's Kaminsky-centered offense to a more complementary piece on a NBA team. The Heat at No. 10 are probably his ceiling. The Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12 and the Suns at No. 13 are all interested. I think the Bucks at No. 17 are his floor.
16. Kelly Oubre
Oubre's draft stock is also all over the place depending on which team you talk to. We had him ranked No. 10 in July and after a stellar summer he moved all the way up to No. 5. His rocky start at Kansas, and his inconsistent production when he did start playing, all hurt his stock somewhat. He's long, athletic, can defend multiple positions and shoot, but will he have the focus to continue to improve on his game?
He's further away than a lot of the other players on the board and questions about his maturity continue to plague his draft stock. He has the same sort of window that Johnson does -- Pistons, Hornets, Heat, Pacers, Jazz and Suns. However, there are scenarios where he could slide to the Thunder at No. 14, Hawks at No. 15 or Celtics at No. 17. His draft stock (not his game) reminds me a lot of Josh Smith's a few years back. It's still very hard to peg.
18. Bobby Portis
Portis is a warrior with few holes in his game. He works so hard at everything that it's hard not to love him, even if he never excels at any one thing. His draft stock has remained extraordinarily steady. He debuted in Big Board 1.0 at 15 and ends at No. 18. Portis' draft range starts at the Pacers at No. 11, and includes the Jazz, Hawks and Bucks. I believe his floor is the Wizards at No. 19.
Best case scenario right now is Stanley Johnson falls to us at 12.
9. Devin Booker
Booker also was unranked in Big Board 1.0 thanks to concerns about playing time and a lack of elite athletic ability. However, his stock rose with playing time, and by the end of the season many scouts believed he was the best shooter in the draft. With so many 3-point shooting teams thriving in the playoffs, his stock rose even higher in the last month or so. He's now in the mix to go as high as the Pistons at No. 8. The Hornets will give him very strong consideration at No. 9. He'll also get looks from the Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12, the Suns at No. 13 and the Thunder at No. 14.
10. Stanley Johnson
Many scouts saw Johnson as a star coming into his freshman season. A number of them had him in their top 5 and we had him ranked No. 8 on Big Board 1.0. Once the season started, concerns began to mount about his athleticism and ability to finish at the rim. While teams love his NBA body and motor, does he have the skill set or explosive athletic ability to be a star? With just one day to go before the draft, some teams still have him ranked in the 5-to-10 range. Others have him 15-to-20. The Pistons, Hornets, Heat, Pacers, Jazz and Suns seem like the six best bets to take him.
12. Trey Lyles
Lyles didn't start the season ranked on the Big Board primarily because of concerns about playing time. Scouts figured that Kentucky's freshmen, sans Towns, would probably play limited roles this year. Thanks to Calipari's platoon system, all of them played bigger minutes than anyone expected and Lyles' stock has steadily risen all year to the point that a number of teams now have him in the top 10 -- despite the fact that he only played 20 minutes per game and was mostly out of position all year. That's a testament to Lyles' great size, skill set and basketball IQ.
His draft range is one of the trickiest to figure out. The Knicks, for example, are looking at him at No. 4. The Pistons like him at No. 8. But his sweet spot is probably the Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12, the Celtics at No. 16 or, at the very least, the Bucks at No. 17. That's a pretty huge range for a guy this close to the draft, but he's been hard to nail down.
13. Myles Turner
Turner continues to be somewhat of an enigma. He began the year ranked No. 5 in Big Board 1.0 and there are still scouts who believe that's where he should be in Big Board 12.0. The problem is there are numerous others who think he belongs more in the late teens to early 20s. There are few prospects more polarizing. The scouts who love him point to his size, length, rim protection and shooting ability. The scouts who don't point out he struggled against top competition and isn't an elite athlete. Turner's ceiling is probably the Heat at No. 10. The Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12 and the Suns at No. 13 are all potential landing spots as well.
14. Sam Dekker
Dekker is another polarizing prospect. Some teams love him and always have. Others aren't nearly as sold. He's clearly got NBA size, athleticism and toughness. The question centers on his jump shot. When it goes in, he looks like a lottery pick. When it doesn't, he looks like a late first-rounder. Dekker's stock has been consistent all year as well. He was No. 18 on Big Board 1.0 and ends at No. 16. His range start with the Pistons at No. 8 (he's actually in very strong consideration there if Hezonja is off the board), and includes the Heat, Pacers, Jazz, Suns, Hawks, Celtics and Bucks.
15. Frank Kaminsky
Kaminsky's rise on our draft board over the past few months has been interesting. Before the season, scouts were skeptical he could repeat a stellar performance in the NCAA tournament and he was initially ranked at No. 35. A strong senior season saw him quickly move up the board and he's been in the mid-teens ever since. Some teams see him even higher. They love his shooting ability and think it will translate. Others aren't sure that his game will survive the migration from Bo Ryan's Kaminsky-centered offense to a more complementary piece on a NBA team. The Heat at No. 10 are probably his ceiling. The Pacers at No. 11, the Jazz at No. 12 and the Suns at No. 13 are all interested. I think the Bucks at No. 17 are his floor.
16. Kelly Oubre
Oubre's draft stock is also all over the place depending on which team you talk to. We had him ranked No. 10 in July and after a stellar summer he moved all the way up to No. 5. His rocky start at Kansas, and his inconsistent production when he did start playing, all hurt his stock somewhat. He's long, athletic, can defend multiple positions and shoot, but will he have the focus to continue to improve on his game?
He's further away than a lot of the other players on the board and questions about his maturity continue to plague his draft stock. He has the same sort of window that Johnson does -- Pistons, Hornets, Heat, Pacers, Jazz and Suns. However, there are scenarios where he could slide to the Thunder at No. 14, Hawks at No. 15 or Celtics at No. 17. His draft stock (not his game) reminds me a lot of Josh Smith's a few years back. It's still very hard to peg.
18. Bobby Portis
Portis is a warrior with few holes in his game. He works so hard at everything that it's hard not to love him, even if he never excels at any one thing. His draft stock has remained extraordinarily steady. He debuted in Big Board 1.0 at 15 and ends at No. 18. Portis' draft range starts at the Pacers at No. 11, and includes the Jazz, Hawks and Bucks. I believe his floor is the Wizards at No. 19.
Best case scenario right now is Stanley Johnson falls to us at 12.
♪alt13
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I think Boston might be the best match in this trade.
Cappy_Smurf
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Ok, that's 1000 pages. Mods can go ahead and lock this now.
♪alt13
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No way