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PG_AB said:
Cousins is like a 98+ grade in my book in pretty much all of these recent drafts, I'd have had him at 100 in 2013.. his particular skillset and build and rebounding prowess is just an extremely rare combination for a player that age... I had Cousins #1 on my board that year not John Wall.
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Well, you did have Alex Len as a 98 in 2013. I remember how he was a can't miss prospect. The good old days.


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White Chocolate said:
Wherever a late first-round pick grades out at.


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That'd be in the low 80's right next to Tim Hardaway Jr and several points behind Trey Burke -- who I had rated lower than most all the sources you can find on the internets..

One more question - Who you taking to win a game today Len or Joakim Noah (Who just signed a 4yr/$72MM deal this summer)??
 
This comment will draw plenty of ire here but it's just food for thought -- Len vs Gobert per 36

13.3ppg, 13.4rebs and 2.7blks
13.8ppg, 11.6rebs and 2.5blks


Len is also a year younger.
 
PG_AB said:
This comment will draw plenty of ire here but it's just food for thought -- Len vs Gobert per 36

13.3ppg, 13.4rebs and 2.7blks
13.8ppg, 11.6rebs and 2.5blks


Len is also a year younger.
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The bottom is Len's and that is a stupid way to use that stat.


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6'5"G Donte DiVincenzo RS Freshman at Villanova will eventually make DX's list in class. U can take it to the bank! Good athlete/defender/combo skills, strong and quick, looks to have a 3pt shot too.

Scored 19 the other day vs St. Johns

Looks like a safe bet to eventually get pro looks. 3-star recruit alert!!!


Turns 20 in a few weeks.
 
PG_AB said:
Cousins is like a 98+ grade in my book in pretty much all of these recent drafts, I'd have had him at 100 in 2013.. his particular skillset and build and rebounding prowess is just an extremely rare combination for a player that age... I had Cousins #1 on my board that year not John Wall.
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So you were betting on Cousins randomly starting to give a **** defensively? Or is it just offensive impact? Because Cousins body and mobility/nimbleness never suggested that he may become an elite rim protector/help defender.

White Chocolate said:
Well, you did have Alex Len as a 98 in 2013. I remember how he was a can't miss prospect. The good old days.


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He didn't miss Hill's jaw!
 
BTP said:
So you were betting on Cousins randomly starting to give a **** defensively? Or is it just offensive impact? Because Cousins body and mobility/nimbleness never suggested that he may become an elite rim protector/help defender.



He didn't miss Hill's jaw!
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Cousins was quite obviously the real deal in many aspects of his skillset, savant level offensive rebounder, great hands/dexterity/body control. One of the things that clearly seperates him from this years bigs(and Favors) is the ability to demand/score thru double or even triple teams(Which is one of the reasons Blake Griffin was the obvious #1 pick and grades well out of class too..It;s also one of the reasons the Jazz selected Enes Kanter) His touch around the rim was obviously well above average, same for his touch from midrange and putting him on the line is no help at all..
 
PG_AB said:
This comment will draw plenty of ire here but it's just food for thought -- Len vs Gobert per 36

13.3ppg, 13.4rebs and 2.7blks
13.8ppg, 11.6rebs and 2.5blks


Len is also a year younger.
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The 2 reb difference is big, and the even scoring average, considering Rudy's biggest weakness is scoring. and how is Len's FG% defense at the rim? Doesn't Rudy lead the league there?

Also, Len was a high lottery pick and while Rudy is a year older, he's arguably more raw and as such has more room for improvement despite the age difference.

Anyway, just a couple thoughts.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
The 2 reb difference is big, and the even scoring average, considering Rudy's biggest weakness is scoring. and how is Len's FG% defense at the rim? Doesn't Rudy lead the league there?

Also, Len was a high lottery pick and while Rudy is a year older, he it's arguably more raw and as such has more room for improvement.

Anyway, just a couple thoughts.
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Like 47% which is damn respectable, better than a lot of starters and vets making big $$$. Rudy's the standard for excellence in that dept. he's not the proper measuring stick to use if you wanna be reasonable..
 
Thing with Len is the same like it is for Embiid. Both have to prove they can stay healthy after having severe foot injuries that usually **** up bigs pretty bad.
 
PG_AB said:
Like 47% which is damn respectable, better than a lot of starters and vets making big $$$. Rudy's the standard for excellence in that dept. he's not the proper measuring stick to use if you wanna be reasonable..
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The defense aspect that you completely ignored in my previous post regarding Cousins. Do you think Cousins is capable of ever reaching that number given what you know NOW about his consistency, effort and athleticism?
I'm kinda puzzled how your system works when at the time of him being drafted rim protection was already a topic that gained traction with Duncan and Chandler being great at that in their own way.
 
BTP said:
The defense aspect that you completely ignored in my previous post regarding Cousins. Do you think Cousins is capable of ever reaching that number given what you know NOW about his consistency, effort and athleticism?
I'm kinda puzzled how your system works when at the time of him being drafted rim protection was already a topic that gained traction with Duncan and Chandler being great at that in their own way.
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Are you familiar with the phrase "Follow the money"?

He could have almost $300MM in contracts signed before he turns 27.. Is that not a powerful enough indicator for your personal standards????


I didn't avoid your comment, what you're talking about is in-****ing-consequential, I was glossing over that fact because I'm a nice guy. You want a direct answer? The aspects of the game I just mentioned overwelmingly supersede the negativity you're attempting to bring to attact to his name in this conversation.

1 player doesn't make or break a defense in the NBA. The Jazz brought Diaw here, right?
 
PG_AB said:
Are you familiar with the phrase "Follow the money"?

He could have almost $300MM in contracts signed before he turns 27.. Is that not a powerful enough indicator for your personal standards????


I didn't avoid your comment, what you're talking about is in-****ing-consequential, I was glossing over that fact because I'm a nice guy. You want a direct answer? The aspects of the game I just mentioned overwelmingly supersede the negativity you're attempting to bring to attact to his name in this conversation.

1 player doesn't make or break a defense in the NBA. The Jazz brought Diaw here, right?
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A 100 in my books is a player that has the athleticism and power of LeBron James, Durant's length and mobility and Steph Curry's accuracy, while protecting the rim like Embiid and having the drive of Jordan. If I see a body and toolkit of Cousins I'm thinking of a 85-95 range when he's young. But if you go by the likelihood to score 2 max contracts, then I can see where you're coming from, even though I have a different standard, because max contract players can outperform other max contract players by a lot.
Regarding Diaw: Basketball is 5on5. The presence of Duncan or Gobert can erase a lot of concerns. The playoffs will give better answers whether other teams can chase him off the court.
 
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