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NVM, forgot how much I hate watching Georgia because they have terrible perimeter play and play zone defense constantly.

Side note: Could Isaiah Briscoe be the next Avery Bradley? DX has him going 50th which seems low.
 
Maten played well despite being double or triple teamed nearly every possession.

I really like Briscoe now though. He has really improved.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
NVM, forgot how much I hate watching Georgia because they have terrible perimeter play and play zone defense constantly.

Side note: Could Isaiah Briscoe be the next Avery Bradley? DX has him going 50th which seems low.
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Interesting comparison. I wonder when a team with a playmaker on the wing goes for such a guy. If Briscoe's shooting continues to improve, he'd be a really interesting piece to round out a starting 5 from a salary cap standpoint.
 
Guys, who is DE'AARON FOX and why is he ahead of Monk in the DX list?


Fox is shooting less than 20% from 3point line, what am I missing?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
NVM, forgot how much I hate watching Georgia because they have terrible perimeter play and play zone defense constantly.

Side note: Could Isaiah Briscoe be the next Avery Bradley? DX has him going 50th which seems low.
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I really like Briscoe as well.


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ONE LOVE said:
Guys, who is DE'AARON FOX and why is he ahead of Monk in the DX list?


Fox is shooting less than 20% from 3point line, what am I missing?
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He's a better shooter (over history) than he's showing.
He's LIGHTENING fast and hella PG. Most scouts say he's faster than Wall with the ball.
Would I take him before Monk? No.
 
I don't think Briscoe is a legit NBA prospect.
Good college player but his shot will never be legit and his althleticism is terrible
 
Dr. Jones said:
I don't think Briscoe is a legit NBA prospect.
Good college player but his shot will never be legit and his althleticism is terrible
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Agree. What's the deal with Bam? Why is he falling down draft boards? What am I missing?
 
BTP said:
How's his defense navigating screens, how tight is his dribble and how good can he change speed?
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Shifty and tight with his dribble. Navigates traffic really well.
I'm just concerned he gets his shots blocked at the rim.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Shifty and tight with his dribble. Navigates traffic really well.
I'm just concerned he gets his shots blocked at the rim.
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From my POV, I'm not really that concerned if my poing guard doesn't have Westbrook hops. Plenty of ways to create a good timing where defenders have a hard time contesting.
That leads to my next question: Why does he turn it over that much, if his dribble is tight? Just questionable decision making where he sees plays that aren't there? I think statistically it's really hard not to be excited about the improvement in his shooting. +26% on free throws, while attempting 5 per game. Being in the 70s on free throws is usually a range where you're confident that a player doesn't have stone hands. His improved 3 point accuracy on a smaller sample size is also a really good sign that he's making progress and hope that he isn't done - You usually don't go from Andre Drummond stone hands to LeBron James shaky, streaky jump shooting within 6 months with more growth in that area being unrealistic.
If I'm an NBA team and he's available in a range where the high upside guys are gone, I'm giving him a hard look. If you can get a point guard with a limited toolbox and have your reliable ball handlers on the wing, which is becoming more common these days, it's a real tease.
The market inefficiency at point guard is that there are so many guys getting max contracts, even though they're not even the best at the position. Point guard is so deep.
If I have Briscoe on a rookie deal for 4 years and can extend him for 15/yr after that(assuming max of 30), and he's giving me a relative return of 70-75% of what top tier PGs do, then I have more capspace for positions with a more limited talent pool, aka skilled big wings.
All I'd need Briscoe to do is be a good ADHD Point Guard, like a more skilled version of Beverly/Dellavedova. Just make it tough on the opposing PG to score for 35 min/game and keep moving offensively. If Briscoe develops a 40% spot up/C&S accuracy from 3, someone like Chris Paul has to invest so much energy into chasing him around. With his positive development, I'd consider investing 4 years into his development and see where he getts.
 
BTP said:
From my POV, I'm not really that concerned if my poing guard doesn't have Westbrook hops. Plenty of ways to create a good timing where defenders have a hard time contesting.
That leads to my next question: Why does he turn it over that much, if his dribble is tight? Just questionable decision making where he sees plays that aren't there? I think statistically it's really hard not to be excited about the improvement in his shooting. +26% on free throws, while attempting 5 per game. Being in the 70s on free throws is usually a range where you're confident that a player doesn't have stone hands. His improved 3 point accuracy on a smaller sample size is also a really good sign that he's making progress and hope that he isn't done - You usually don't go from Andre Drummond stone hands to LeBron James shaky, streaky jump shooting within 6 months with more growth in that area being unrealistic.
If I'm an NBA team and he's available in a range where the high upside guys are gone, I'm giving him a hard look. If you can get a point guard with a limited toolbox and have your reliable ball handlers on the wing, which is becoming more common these days, it's a real tease.
The market inefficiency at point guard is that there are so many guys getting max contracts, even though they're not even the best at the position. Point guard is so deep.
If I have Briscoe on a rookie deal for 4 years and can extend him for 15/yr after that(assuming max of 30), and he's giving me a relative return of 70-75% of what top tier PGs do, then I have more capspace for positions with a more limited talent pool, aka skilled big wings.
All I'd need Briscoe to do is be a good ADHD Point Guard, like a more skilled version of Beverly/Dellavedova. Just make it tough on the opposing PG to score for 35 min/game and keep moving offensively. If Briscoe develops a 40% spot up/C&S accuracy from 3, someone like Chris Paul has to invest so much energy into chasing him around. With his positive development, I'd consider investing 4 years into his development and see where he getts.
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His turnovers have nothing to do with his dribble. He has an insane propensity for stepping on the baseline.. like weird. It's more so because he's playing with freshman that are zigging when they're supposed to be zagging. He's a good passer, has good vision, and nice handles, and strong as they come. I just hate that he can barely dunk.
 
Ill add my 2cents in this thread intermittenly. Bored before gametime.

PKM is right and DX is wrong, Briscoe's not a legit NBA prospect, I can produce a long list of more deserving PG's. Those with a palate for his style of play should redirect thei attention to De'Anthony Melton. Avery Bradley is/Was a vastly superior prospect to Briscoe had away more reliable midrange game, better quicks and explosion

Briscoe's style of play an build is like a rugby player trying to impersonate Eric Bledsoe.

Some fringe 2nd rd PGs Id prefer are; Derrick White, Joel Berry, Nigel Williams-Goss, Michael Weathers, Duron Carter, Jeremy Hemsley,Jalen Adams,Jaylen Adams, Jerome Robinson, Melo Trimble, Abdoulaye N'Doye, Elie Okobo, Edmond Sumner, Marcus Foster, Bryant Crawford, a number of 4* Freshman should they declare early,Matt Farrell, and ican keep going but,you get the point.Even take Frank Mason who im not a fan of....


2 promising c/o 2018 4*'s to watch for Jairus Hamilton (reminds me of Harrison Barnes) from SC and Reggie Perry from GA.

Theres also an interesting unranked 6'10 big UConn and UL are after graduating HS this year, Chieck Mbackwe Diong who looks like a legit pro prospect.

BTP - Briscoe suffers thru fits of tunnel-vision which destroys his ast to ratio.

Cy - Okogie's legit. I always knew Pastner was getting a bad rap, he's in contention for COY. Maten might be this years Pascal Siakam, he seems to be top40 and rising.

Stitches - Bam's stock is dropping rapidly in my book,Ive got him like 29th. His particular set of skills are not as advanced or reliable or frankly rare as recently advertised. I'm actually starting to question how much better he is than Drew Eubanks or Jeanne. At this stage his game is kind of gimmicky --- think about how he'd do vs Rudy
 
PG_AB said:
Ill add my 2cents in this thread intermittenly. Bored before gametime.

PKM is right and DX is wrong, Briscoe's not a legit NBA prospect, I can produce a long list of more deserving PG's. Those with a palate for his style of play should redirect thei attention to De'Anthony Melton. Avery Bradley is/Was a vastly superior prospect to Briscoe had away more reliable midrange game, better quicks and explosion

Briscoe's style of play an build is like a rugby player trying to impersonate Eric Bledsoe.

Some fringe 2nd rd PGs Id prefer are; Derrick White, Joel Berry, Nigel Williams-Goss, Michael Weathers, Duron Carter, Jeremy Hemsley,Jalen Adams,Jaylen Adams, Jerome Robinson, Melo Trimble, Abdoulaye N'Doye, Elie Okobo, Edmond Sumner, Marcus Foster, Bryant Crawford, a number of 4* Freshman should they declare early,Matt Farrell, and ican keep going but,you get the point.Even take Frank Mason who im not a fan of....


2 promising c/o 2018 4*'s to watch for Jairus Hamilton (reminds me of Harrison Barnes) from SC and Reggie Perry from GA.

Theres also an interesting unranked 6'10 big UConn and UL are after graduating HS this year, Chieck Mbackwe Diong who looks like a legit pro prospect.

BTP - Briscoe suffers thru fits of tunnel-vision which destroys his ast to ratio.

Cy - Okogie's legit. I always knew Pastner was getting a bad rap, he's in contention for COY. Maten might be this years Pascal Siakam, he seems to be top40 and rising.

Stitches - Bam's stock is dropping rapidly in my book,Ive got him like 29th. His particular set of skills are not as advanced or reliable or frankly rare as recently advertised. I'm actually starting to question how much better he is than Drew Eubanks or Jeanne. At this stage his game is kind of gimmicky --- think about how he'd do vs Rudy
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Hey PG_AB, while you're here, who do you think the Jazz should pick at the #23-#24 range?


Is there a diamond in the rough that we could snatch ala Gobert or Hood in that range?
 
PG_AB said:
Ill add my 2cents in this thread intermittenly. Bored before gametime.

PKM is right and DX is wrong, Briscoe's not a legit NBA prospect, I can produce a long list of more deserving PG's. Those with a palate for his style of play should redirect thei attention to De'Anthony Melton. Avery Bradley is/Was a vastly superior prospect to Briscoe had away more reliable midrange game, better quicks and explosion

Briscoe's style of play an build is like a rugby player trying to impersonate Eric Bledsoe.

Some fringe 2nd rd PGs Id prefer are; Derrick White, Joel Berry, Nigel Williams-Goss, Michael Weathers, Duron Carter, Jeremy Hemsley,Jalen Adams,Jaylen Adams, Jerome Robinson, Melo Trimble, Abdoulaye N'Doye, Elie Okobo, Edmond Sumner, Marcus Foster, Bryant Crawford, a number of 4* Freshman should they declare early,Matt Farrell, and ican keep going but,you get the point.Even take Frank Mason who im not a fan of....


2 promising c/o 2018 4*'s to watch for Jairus Hamilton (reminds me of Harrison Barnes) from SC and Reggie Perry from GA.

Theres also an interesting unranked 6'10 big UConn and UL are after graduating HS this year, Chieck Mbackwe Diong who looks like a legit pro prospect.

BTP - Briscoe suffers thru fits of tunnel-vision which destroys his ast to ratio.

Cy - Okogie's legit. I always knew Pastner was getting a bad rap, he's in contention for COY. Maten might be this years Pascal Siakam, he seems to be top40 and rising.

Stitches - Bam's stock is dropping rapidly in my book,Ive got him like 29th. His particular set of skills are not as advanced or reliable or frankly rare as recently advertised. I'm actually starting to question how much better he is than Drew Eubanks or Jeanne. At this stage his game is kind of gimmicky --- think about how he'd do vs Rudy
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That didn't take long.


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PG_AB said:
Ill add my 2cents in this thread intermittenly. Bored before gametime.

PKM is right and DX is wrong, Briscoe's not a legit NBA prospect, I can produce a long list of more deserving PG's. Those with a palate for his style of play should redirect thei attention to De'Anthony Melton. Avery Bradley is/Was a vastly superior prospect to Briscoe had away more reliable midrange game, better quicks and explosion

Briscoe's style of play an build is like a rugby player trying to impersonate Eric Bledsoe.

BTP - Briscoe suffers thru fits of tunnel-vision which destroys his ast to ratio.
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But that's why I like his upside as a role playing PG in a market inefficiency sense. If he can develop his shooting over the years and plays like dx and PKM are advertising him, he can be valuable.
If I look at a team like the Grizzlies: If Mike Conley(And I freaking love him) is my 2nd best and highest paid player, can I compete for a championship? I'd give that a definitive NO. Those pre cap surge contracts are all going away in a year or two. When those guys all want 30-35 a year, can I win with those PGs being one of 2 max contracts? Probably yes if you have other quality guys on rookie deals, but if you don't get reinforcements that are ahead of their timetable it's looking bleak.
If my PG isn't Curry or CP3 kind of productive, can I win it all with him? In a normal market these days, despite the depth at the position teams don't run a hard bargain with their PGs and that leads to guys like Lillard, Irving, Wall, Isaiah Thomas, McCollum, Westbrook being overpaid relative to the depth of the market or getting overpaid in the future.
Those guys aren't bad, but they all need context. A lot of context. If I had to choose from that list, I'd say Wall has the best chances of overcoming that context and becoming a true ace at almost every aspect of the game. The guy I'd say is the best after Curry and Paul right now is Lowry, but he's 31. So it's truly risky to give him that superstar contract. He'll get it though to make up for the years where he was criminally underpaid.

TL;DR: Don't put yourself in a position where you have to overspend at point guard when you can just take a risk on someone like Holiday at 15 after his contract is up. Only hand out top $ for guards when they are potential franchise changers.
Point Guard free agency in 2017 will be so entertaining. Teague, Holiday, Lowry, Hill, Rose, Williams aaaand Chris Paul's ETO. Some trades including PGs maybe? Popcorn machine will be working overtime...
 
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