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stitches said:
Don't get me wrong. I see your point and I don't mind at all that plan... I just think the other plan is not unreasonable at all, either. IMO if such scenario presents itself there is a serious discussion DL and the FO will have to have about whether it's prudent to trade a player like Ayton. This is one that we might regret. Furthermore in my plan you keep Gobert at least for a year. You can still trade Ayton the following draft if Gobert's injury issues seem to be behind him and if him and Mitchell are gelling well. Or you can trade Gobert if Ayton seems like a future monster and top 10 player(IMO there is a significant chance of this being the case). You keep your options open... and you all but ensure you will be having a monster center for the foreseeable future. + you give yourself a chance to draft one of the premier wings coming into the draft in 2019. Cam Reddish, RJ Barrett, Zion... I can see all of them fitting real well with both Mitchell-Gobert and Mitchell-Ayton core...
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I'm not saying what you are saying is dumb, I just wouldn't like it.

Yeah, but if you wait a year to trade him, you are risking a depreciation in value. He might have a so-so rookie year as a backup. With a guy who has as much hype as him, expectations will be high. And like you said, there is a chance he might be top 10. Gobert has already had a season where he had top 10 impact and that was just w/ George Hill and Gordon Hayward w/ Boris Diaw as his starting PF.

I also think at some point you have to look at what you have and say "Ok, we are doing this thing w/ this core" rather than just delaying that moment in favor of more youth/possible potential.
 
Or, other option, draft Jaren Jackson Jr who might actually be able to play the 4 and might be better than Ayton.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The really interesting question would be what if the Jazz drafted 5th (probably the least likely position for them to draft in tbh) and Doncic/Bagley/Young/Porter are all off the board. Obviously Ayton at 5 is a ridiculously good pick, but not really for the Jazz. I can't imagine Ayton would be happy being a projectd backup for at least his first 3 years in the NBA.

What could the Jazz get for Ayton? If the Hornets were picking 10th, would they give up Kemba Walker and the 10th pick to draft Ayton (Jazz put in Rubio to salary match)?
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I just can't see this situation actually happening. No way Ayton falls to 5. If the Jazz are lucky enough to be in a position to draft Ayton, then other top prospects who fit better with Rudy will also be available.

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spycam1 said:
I just can't see this situation actually happening. No way Ayton falls to 5. If the Jazz are lucky enough to be in a position to draft Ayton, then other top prospects who fit better with Rudy will also be available.

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Yes, probably the most unlikely draft scenario imaginable since getting the 4th or 5th pick would be the most unlikely pick for the Jazz to get unless they really tank. I still think the ceiling (or floor) for them to get to is the 7th best odds.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yes, probably the most unlikely draft scenario imaginable since getting the 4th or 5th pick would be the most unlikely pick for the Jazz to get unless they really tank. I still think the ceiling (or floor) for them to get to is the 7th best odds.
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I mean.. 11 of the next 16 are on the road and we are 3-17 on the road so far on the road... it doesn't seem to matter the quality of opposition. We are just bad on the road. We might lose 13 of the next 16 and be at about .339 winning percentage ... this is about no. 5-no.6 lottery position. Then the trade deadline comes and DL might have a legit case for trading most pieces that are not part of the future of this team but still help us win some games.
 
stitches said:
I mean.. 11 of the next 16 are on the road and we are 3-17 on the road so far on the road... it doesn't seem to matter the quality of opposition. We are just bad on the road. We might lose 13 of the next 16 and be at about .339 winning percentage ... this is about no. 5-no.6 lottery position.
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Yes but the schedule will eventually get easier, Gobert will come back, and they will win the games against the likes of the Mavs/Lakers/Suns/Grizzlies. I just don't see it finishing below the 7th odds. They might dip below it for a stretch, but not the end.
 
stitches said:
I mean.. 11 of the next 16 are on the road and we are 3-17 on the road so far on the road... it doesn't seem to matter the quality of opposition. We are just bad on the road. We might lose 13 of the next 16 and be at about .339 winning percentage ... this is about no. 5-no.6 lottery position. Then the trade deadline comes and DL might have a legit case for trading most pieces that are not part of the future of this team but still help us win some games.
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At this point I think the best we could do is 6 but would be happy with 7/8. As soon as Gobert went down the first time we should have hit the tank button. Win streak zapped a lot of the upside. Chicago, Bkn, Charlotte, should all pass us if we tank a little harder. Phoenix will likely out tank us... LAL suck too much but they have no tank motivation so who knows.

6/7 gives us okayish odds at hitting top 3 and let’s us be in a position to scoop up someone who falls... Porter or Young I could see sliding just a hair. If not take one of the bridges.
 
Also if for some reason you end up at 5 with Ayton I would hope we’d have some trade partners lined up. Move back a few spots but take a good haul to do so. If we are at 5 the prospects around that range are Bamba, Jackson, so teams with centers needs may have made pitches on moving up... if Ayton slid I would think they would up their ante.

I don’t want anymore ill fitting pieces that we try to make work. Time to have a full and complete team that compliments each other. If they love Ayton then move Gobert.
 
6'8" long armed SF freshman Kezie Okpala, who got a late start because he needed to get his grades high enough to play for Stanford, is yet another possible 1st rd talent 3'n'D type..

I watched this kid bust shaq's sons *** really bad in a game last year he dropped like 50 on him (the oldest one, shaqs youngest son might even be better than Shareef btw)... Very impressive kid, he'll pass all the psych profiling with flying colors -- easily one of my favorite 4-star freshman, he's easily got some of the highest upside of the entire 4-star crop...


TBPFH -- Stanford has the most slept on crop of SF's in the nation, with Okpala, da Silva and Pugh.
 
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If there's a Gobert spectrum for giant shotblockers, Pascal Chukwu at Syracuse is on there in the low end range...

He's a legit 7'2" with a 7'8" wingspan.. no doubt he's gonna get several NBA looks, could have more upside than some of the C's we've seen taken in the 50-60 range in recent drafts.

doesn't shoot much but there's real upside with him, it's one of those situations where his age isn't truly telling about his upside, he's one of those bigs who's coordination is still catching up with his height in his early 20's.

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Tony Carr is a 4-star Sophomore PG at PSU.. He is one of the lead guards I located in that hyped PG crop from the HS class fo 2016, that was kind of overlooked and would be rated much higher in a standard PG crop...



Anyways, guess what? I'ma be right again... He's actually getting some 1st rd hype. Stong built 6'4" PG with a J... He's like that kid Ray McCallum from years back that won the Kings the Summer League title, but better, and tougher..
 
Revolution 9 said:
I dont think we go any lower than that. I predict we draft 11 or 12. With Gobert coming back, and a softer schedule we will get more wins.
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Okay, but if Hood and Rubio aren't having good scoring games, the Jazz don't really have enough offense to win a lot of games. Rudy will help hold opponent's scoring down a bit, which helps.

Yesterday against the Heat, Mitchell and Hood had decent offensive games, but Rubio went 0 for 6 and finished with 4 points. That was the difference in the game. All three of those guys have to score to make the Jazz competitive.
 
Catchall said:
It's justifiable to take Jackson or Porter Jr. at 5. At this point, Ayton is probably expected to go top 4 with Doncic, Young and Bagley.
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Well that's not the point of a hypothetical question, you know, to bring it what is expected to happen. It's to ask what they would do if the hypothetical scenario occurred.
 
Catchall said:
Okay, but if Hood and Rubio aren't having good scoring games, the Jazz don't really have enough offense to win a lot of games. Rudy will help hold opponent's scoring down a bit, which helps.

Yesterday against the Heat, Mitchell and Hood had decent offensive games, but Rubio went 0 for 6 and finished with 4 points. That was the difference in the game. All three of those guys have to score to make the Jazz competitive.
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Actually I thought the opposite. Because Rubio took less shots and was less involved in actively trying to score, the Jazz played better and almost beat a good team on the road.
 
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