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Following Potential 2018 Draftees

Dzanan Musa - The "Euro Mamba"
Young, needs to develop but his shot is straight venom and he looks the type that may still ve growing.

Jontay Porter -
Big frame, complimentary skill set, good timing on blocks, nice outside shot.


Both are really young with great upside, Porter is probably the safer bet but Im hoping for Musa.
 
Xthren said:
He still is but his shooting was awful but if he can get his shooting back he would make a great player. one of the best defenders in college.
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Think Miami had a case of too many chefs in the kitchen.

Brown didn’t just forget how to shoot.

I’d take him. Kid can defend.
 
Sounds like Donte is staying in the draft. Smart man.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Dzanan Musa - The "Euro Mamba"
Young, needs to develop but his shot is straight venom and he looks the type that may still ve growing.

Jontay Porter -
Big frame, complimentary skill set, good timing on blocks, nice outside shot.


Both are really young with great upside, Porter is probably the safer bet but Im hoping for Musa.
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I get the feeling the porter brothers are douchebags... everyone that mentions them always mentions “playing with others” “some concerns to overcome”

Tony mentioned Jontay is not a guy he expects the jazz to look at... I trust he’s in the know but he may have been spouting off his opinion.
 
On the ringer pod they mentioned Okogie waking up at 4:30 to get to the gym for 5:00AM workouts in HS. Dude sounds like an extremely hard worker.

There isn't a DM in every draft obviously, but give me the kid with physical tools and is a worker. Shows maturity. All in on Okogie... Firmly in my top 15... along with 60 other guys.
 
stitches said:
I will be doing some of my annual prospect watch with notes here. I'm starting with Kevin Huerter.

Huerter vs Michigan state


-first defensive position - good box out and rebound vs Bridges
-first offensive possession - doesn't shy away from shooting... launched a shot from 30 feet with 23 seconds on the clock
-makes the nice extra pass for wide open 3 for teammate on the break
-damn... nice help defense and rejection on the low block by Huerter. Good timing and instincts on the jump
-moves the ball and cuts on offense
-bad closeout, got beat easily... his feet were not great on this one, gave up and 1 trying to recover on the drive by Langford
-rises from 3 coming off the pnr even though his big slipped it , used the defender's hesitation... drains it. His shot looks really nice.
-fights through screen off ball on D... not great technique but good effort, contests the shot.
-Bridges drives against him, good initial step, but seems like he didn't anticipate the secondary burst, help defense saved his ***.
-drives from the top of the key with defender in front of him, but couldn't beat his man with speed. Still finishes through/over his man and the help defender. Might have good touch and length?
-another not great closeout. Bridges beats him easily baseline and assists for a dunk. He needs to do better containing penetration in those situations. It wasn't even a big closeout he needed to do.
-nice fake/juke and cut that left him open cutting to the rim, but his PG didn't pull the trigger on the pass.
-good effort chasing his man around screens, not great technique defending the iso(crosses feet, turns body sideways... lucky this time)
-comes off screen, great vision and instincts to see the artificial PnR that was created on the handoff and pass it to his big. He's not just a shooter it seems. He can make the right decision not just looking to score.
-shoots on the hand-off... looks natural, rims out.
-attacks the PnR after his big slips it again... this time drives and draws a foul.
-he fights through screens, this is my biggest takeaway defensively so far. Might not have the best feet on D, but he does give effort.
-this time drives left(previous drives were going right), stops and spins, creates enough space to hit his fadeaway jumper from about 12 feet.
-end of the half. Will be watching the second half later and adding comments here.

-second half
-sweet pass on a slipped screen on the left wing.
-gets the ball on the move off screen again, attacks the paint, collapses the defense... makes the right read again and finds open man in the corner... I'm beginning to really really like his fit in our offense. Quin will love him offensively, he already is doing things that Quin makes our players do - quick reads and decisions on the move.
-creates a ton of space on a stepback but misses the 3p shot
-good pocket pass in the pnr, his big scores after a dribble and a post move.
-he continues to give effort on D and contest shots even when he gets stuck on a screen a bit.
-I don't like his feet in man on man defense.
-bad pass on a slipped screen
-tries to go one on one... I don't think he has the speed for it, gets shut down.
-again, tries to go one on one... this time he drew the help defender(IMO the help didn't need to come, his man was in front of him still) and made the right bounce pass for an and 1.
-he's too good of a decisionmaker to be kept in the corner and it happens way too often IMO.
-tried to play off the bounce again but hesitated and gave up his dribble... then shot an ill-advised 3 off-rhythm with 24 seconds on the clock.
-very good transition D, found the man with the ball and prevented the shot, but this was followed by bad PNR D - decided to go under the screen on a 50% 3p shooter Cassius Winston and he drained it.
-they let him run the PnR, doesn't seem shifty and quick enough but he sells the drive to the middle and spins the other way going to the rim - draws a foul. Scores both FTs.
-gets fouled again on a handcheck... gotta think the threat of him shooting has something to do with it.. missed both FTs, weird.
- coming off screen, squares up, great elevation... beautiful shot. Drains it!
- they put him in the pnr again - this time he follows his man over the screen and recovers then blocks his shot from behind. Nice!
- gives up a good shot for better wide open 3 from the corner for a teammate. He continues to make the right plays majority of the time.
-scored some more FTs at the end of the game.

OK... summary time:
Defense: I don't like his technique and feet when guarding 1 on 1 and he can have better feet on close outs, with that said - he works his butt off fighting through screens, never gives up on plays, goes for the contest every time. I am having hard time figuring out if his bad feet are a question of just... being slow-footed on D or technique. Several possessions suggest that it might be fixable with some coaching(for example he was crossing his feet all the time and getting faked because of it).
Offense: I love him on the move! The pleasant surprise was his playmaking for others and his decision making on the move. He makes the right play almost always. I am not sure he's got the skill and wiggle to create offense on-ball, but if he gets a step on his defender he's dangerous both to score and to pass. He seemed a bit slow and unimaginative with his moves on ball. His shot is pure though... he squares up quickly and seamlessly even when coming off screens and need to make sharp turn toward the basket to shoot it. Very very very(!!!) nice release, it's high and it's smooth, very repeatable. I love it.

I am glad I spent this hour or so watching him. I think I will be bumping him up my board. Walt Perrin said yesterday that we need more shooting. He is precisely that and I can absolutely see why Quin would love him. All those exercises he does with the players for catching on the move and making quick decisions with the ball - Huerter seems to do this naturally + the shot of course. I still need to see more of him finishing at the rim.
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There we go... I'm done with this game. Those are my final notes. I am liking Hurter better and better for the Jazz the more I watch of him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
On the ringer pod they mentioned Okogie waking up at 4:30 to get to the gym for 5:00AM workouts in HS. Dude sounds like an extremely hard worker.

There isn't a DM in every draft obviously, but give me the kid with physical tools and is a worker. Shows maturity. All in on Okogie... Firmly in my top 15... along with 60 other guys.
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I remember the stories of Noah Vonleh bringing a bed to the gym so he could just wake up and start working. So now I put no stock into this lol. I haven't watched any Okogie, but I've heard a lot about him recently so I'll have to check him out.
 
Xthren said:
interesting no one here is talking about Simons?
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I'm a Simons homer lol. There's always one or two guys I just instantly fall for in every draft, and Simons was one for me this year. I know there's big boom/bust potential, but I believe in his tools.
 
zyzz said:
I remember the stories of Noah Vonleh bringing a bed to the gym so he could just wake up and start working. So now I put no stock into this lol. I haven't watched any Okogie, but I've heard a lot about him recently so I'll have to check him out.
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lmao bruh, Noah Vonleh. One of PG_AB's finest draft calls.
 
zyzz said:
I remember the stories of Noah Vonleh bringing a bed to the gym so he could just wake up and start working. So now I put no stock into this lol. I haven't watched any Okogie, but I've heard a lot about him recently so I'll have to check him out.
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I actually think Noah could be a good buy super low guy. So young when he came in. I think you get him in a good program on a minimum 2 year deal and he could be a solid backup traditional 4.

I think Okogie has more than just work ethic, but you are right... there is some of that "gym rat" talk this time of year.
 
Xthren said:
interesting no one here is talking about Simons?
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I listened to some interview with Simons where he said he visited with Mitchell during the season in SLC(I don't know when exactly that was and for how long).

I zeroed in on Simons from the moment I saw his highlights. His skill and athleticism are extremely enticing. His off the dribble pull up game is somewhat similar to what Fultz was doing in college before he... forgot how to shoot. If you see some pictures of him you would probably think he's like... 14 or something. This IMO will dictate that he will probably need a year or two of developing his body before he can make impact in the league. His body is not ready, he needs heavy work in an NBA strength and conditioning program. I love his upside, but I also think he might have to play in the G-League for a while.

There are some new videos of him shooting and I don't love his release point. It looks low to me, a bit like Stanley Johnson's when he was in the draft process. Still his shot seems quick enough and repeatable and it is falling so the release point is just a minor concern IMO. From what I've read he also doesn't have super high BBallIQ and he's not the same level of playmaker that Fultz was. He also seems to settle for jumpshots and floaters too much. IMO he has the athleticism to attack the rim more and the Jazz have generally done very good job teaching their players in this specific facet of the game. What I don't like is just how much his handlers are hiding him in this pre-draft process. They pulled him out of college, then they pulled him out of the Hoop Summit just weeks before the game, then they didn't let him play in the combine scrimmages... I wonder if they will let him compete vs other prospects in the private workouts?

Right now I would say I would be OK with the pick and even a bit excited, but I've kind of mellowed down on him.
 
There's going to be someone who'll tell you the hard worker narrative literally about anyone in the draft. People putting that out are actively trying to push a narrative and as a fan I'd be suspicious. I'll trust the team psychologists though who'll try to determine with quizzes and interviews what's driving a prospect and how he views himself and all those interesting questions where it's apparent that you need proper psych evaluations when looking at guys at that age. And this part of the puzzle is completely unavailable for fans except when players share certain questions they've faced in interviews.
 
stitches said:
I listened to some interview with Simons where he said he visited with Mitchell during the season in SLC(I don't know when exactly that was and for how long).

I zeroed in on Simons from the moment I saw his highlights. His skill and athleticism are extremely enticing. His off the dribble pull up game is somewhat similar to what Fultz was doing in college before he... forgot how to shoot. If you see some pictures of him you would probably think he's like... 14 or something. This IMO will dictate that he will probably need a year or two of developing his body before he can make impact in the league. His body is not ready, he needs heavy work in an NBA strength and conditioning program. I love his upside, but I also think he might have to play in the G-League for a while.

There are some new videos of him shooting and I don't love his release point. It looks low to me, a bit like Stanley Johnson's when he was in the draft process. Still his shot seems quick enough and repeatable and it is falling so the release point is just a minor concern IMO. From what I've read he also doesn't have super high BBallIQ and he's not the same level of playmaker that Fultz was. He also seems to settle for jumpshots and floaters too much. IMO he has the athleticism to attack the rim more and the Jazz have generally done very good job teaching their players in this specific facet of the game. What I don't like is just how much his handlers are hiding him in this pre-draft process. They pulled him out of college, then they pulled him out of the Hoop Summit just weeks before the game, then they didn't let him play in the combine scrimmages... I wonder if they will let him compete vs other prospects in the private workouts?

Right now I would say I would be OK with the pick and even a bit excited, but I've kind of mellowed down on him.
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After Dante I am not ready for the mystery upside pick. I hope he is drafted in front of us. If we want him I'd try and acquire another pick in the 25-35 range to do it.
 
stitches said:
He also seems to settle for jumpshots and floaters too much. IMO he has the athleticism to attack the rim more and the Jazz have generally done very good job teaching their players in this specific facet of the game.
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Yeah he does that thing that Dante did until this season where he doesn't get all the way to the rim, and takes like a weird half floater/half layup thing. I think he's just too skinny and shies away from contact.
 
I get a CJ Miles vibe from Simons. Does he need diapers?

Long term project?

Swing for the fences type pick? Unless you feel hes too good to pass up there are several guys who will make this team better right away.
 
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