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jazznik said:
So, what would cause Kasparas to have a different trajectory than Reed Sheppard, who was hyped up, drafted high and promptly shrunk in the NBA? And Sheppard is not alone: there were many moderately athletic college/international PGs who were drafted in the lottery and then underperformed: Giddey, Hayes, Fultz, Cameron Payne, our own Trey Burks...
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What???

First of all it's way too early to make a judgemental call on Reed in the NBA. Second of all, Kas has a huge size advantage. It's also not like Kas came out of nowhere. People who scout European guys were super high on him and there was a lot of preseason hype about how good he was looking.

There are a lot of great looking prospects that don't pan out every year for a lot of various reasons.
 
I remember earlier in this thread I brought up the fact that I was concerned about Egor Demin ability to shoot the ball and received some flack for that. His last 4 games he is 10/38 from the field (26%) and 2/21 from 3 (9%).

No one wants him to be a good shooter more than I do but it turns out maybe I had good reason for the concern.
 
Philon is going to be a great, "if only he could shoot" prospect. I don't buy it either, but there's a lot to like about him.
 
fishonjazz said:
I remember earlier in this thread I brought up the fact that I was concerned about Egor Demin ability to shoot the ball and received some flack for that. His last 4 games he is 10/38 from the field (26%) and 2/21 from 3 (9%).

No one wants him to be a good shooter more than I do but it turns out maybe I had good reason for the concern.
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His early-season shooting numbers were off the charts, but he's fallen back to earth since then.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
None of this makes sense regarding Kasp and Sheppard is a rookie. A bit early to be writing his obituary.
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Is it though? So far Sheppard is averaging 3 PPG, 1 APG on the 32% - 28% shooting. He was a guard drafted in the top 3: none of the guards drafted top 3 had such a poor start to their career as he did. Except, maybe for Fultz, but even Fultz posted better stats. Unless Sheppard dramatically improves in the next several years he is on pace for the worst rookie season as a guard from the top 3 since...at least 1999 ( I did not go deeper in the past).

Historically, if a guard is drafted in the top 3 he is standing out so much that he is ready to produce right away.
 
jazznik said:
Is it though? So far Sheppard is averaging 3 PPG, 1 APG on the 32% - 28% shooting. He was a guard drafted in the top 3: none of the guards drafted top 3 had such a poor start to their career as he did. Except, maybe for Fultz, but even Fultz posted better stats. Unless Sheppard dramatically improves in the next several years he is on pace for the worst rookie season as a guard from the top 3 since...at least 1999 ( I did not go deeper in the past).

Historically, if a guard is drafted in the top 3 he is standing out so much that he is ready to produce right away.
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How many top 3 picks play for a top team? It's a rare situation.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How many top 3 picks play for a top team? It's a rare situation.
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Rare, but it's happened before. The issue is not so much about his minutes - the Rockets worked hard to consistently find 10-12 minutes per game for him - he simply gives absolutely nothing in these minutes: no points, no assists, no rebounds, no defense. Other struggling rookies at least show some flashes and have good games here and there but Reed is just consistently bad. He still may turn things around and carve out the place in this league, but I think by now the realization that he was picked to high is sinking in for a lot of people.
 
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jazznik said:
Rare, but it's happened before. The issue is not so much about his minutes - the Rockets worked hard to consistently find 10-12 minutes per game for him - he simply gives absolutely nothing in these minutes: no points, no assists, no rebounds, no defense. Other struggling rookies at least show some flashes and have good games here and there but Reed is just consistently bad. He still may turn things around and carve out the place in this league, but I think by now the realization that he was picked to high is sinking in for a lot of people.
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He's got a 1.1 DBPM..
 
If you're going to use Reed as a warning sign for Kasparas, what makes makes those two similar? Can't just randomly name Reed and a bunch of random other "busts" and associate that to any which player you desire. If you're putting Fultz and Burke in the some boat, you've got some explaining to do.
 
If the Jazz end up drafting in the late lottery, they should be able to get a competent PF, whether that's CMB, Essengue or Queen. That would let Lauri move around in the frontcourt, assuming the Jazz move Collins.
 
I really have no idea how Wolf gets so many blocks. My eyes tell me he is going to have one of the worst wingspan ratios of all time. He's got a 6.7 DBPM!
 
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