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Following Potential Draftees - 2019 (not kidding)

Udidthizz said:
He’s getting quite a bit of attention. Probably has something to do with the fact that nobody wants to miss out on the next Siakam.

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To me, he is the guy without a doubt worth trading up for. He is the present and future of the NBA - versatility, length, defense, ability to shoot, coachable, etc.

He isn't 19 until December. If we hit here, it's a grand slam. A SF/PF with that athleticism and ability to shoot? Fits our needs perfectly.

Go for it DL.

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LoPo said:
To me, he is the guy without a doubt worth trading up for. He is the present and future of the NBA - versatility, length, defense, ability to shoot, coachable, etc.

He isn't 19 until December. If we hit here, it's a grand slam. A SF/PF with that athleticism and ability to shoot? Fits our needs perfectly.

Go for it DL.

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He's raw. Like totally raw. He really doesn't do anything very well right now. He's a great athlete with an NBA frame and that's about it atm. He's a total projection, a hope. I think he's got a chance to make it but I don't think I'd trade up for him. I don't even think the Jazz have the assets to trade up that high either tbh. He probably goes in like the 8-12 range
 
zyzz said:
Sam Vecenie on The Athletic has a new Mock Draft. I'll post some of the players with a lot of movement or prospects who worked out for the Jazz if there were any interesting tidbits. Let me know if you want to know about certain prospects or where he has someone ranked.



Kabengele from #40 to #17


PJ Washington from #13 to #18


Samanich from #37 to #19


NAW at #20


Cameron Johnson still at #23


Kevin Porter Jr. from #18 to #25


Bol Bol from #21 to #26


Eric Paschall from #35 to #27

Grant Williams at #29


Chuma Okeke from #41 to #31


Carson Edwards from #22 to #32

Terence Davis from unranked to #34


Darius Bazley from #55 to #35


Talen Horton-Tucker from #28 to #38


Dylan Windler #39

Admiral Schofield #42

Jalen Lecque from unranked to #46


Miye Oni to the Jazz at #53


Clippers have liked Brian Bowen for a while and they pick #56
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Lu Dort? Goga Bitadze? Daniel Gafford?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Am I? Feel free to peruse the athletic testing from the combine, the footage, or how pathetic he was for most of his first season.

Your concerns about Jerome were my concerns about Hayward.
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You are either underestimating how athletic Hayward is or over estimating Jerome, but they aren't in the same ball park athletically.
 
zyzz said:
Sam Vecenie on The Athletic has a new Mock Draft. I'll post some of the players with a lot of movement or prospects who worked out for the Jazz if there were any interesting tidbits. Let me know if you want to know about certain prospects or where he has someone ranked.



Kabengele from #40 to #17


PJ Washington from #13 to #18


Samanich from #37 to #19


NAW at #20


Cameron Johnson still at #23


Kevin Porter Jr. from #18 to #25


Bol Bol from #21 to #26


Eric Paschall from #35 to #27

Grant Williams at #29


Chuma Okeke from #41 to #31


Carson Edwards from #22 to #32

Terence Davis from unranked to #34


Darius Bazley from #55 to #35


Talen Horton-Tucker from #28 to #38


Dylan Windler #39

Admiral Schofield #42

Jalen Lecque from unranked to #46


Miye Oni to the Jazz at #53


Clippers have liked Brian Bowen for a while and they pick #56
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His comment about bol bol- basically being at peace with missing on him- is correct to a point. At a certain point in the draft however, that's a risk you have to take. In my mind that is 23. Maybe it's 30 or 40. If you pass on him at 10, and he becomes a star, you can live with that. If you pass on that kind of talent at 35 and he becomes a star, you will be kicking yourself.
 
SCS said:
He's raw. Like totally raw. He really doesn't do anything very well right now. He's a great athlete with an NBA frame and that's about it atm. He's a total projection, a hope. I think he's got a chance to make it but I don't think I'd trade up for him. I don't even think the Jazz have the assets to trade up that high either tbh. He probably goes in like the 8-12 range
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I understand he's raw, but so are most of the guys who end up panning out due to all the intangibles. If he were to drop to #13, I think we can find a way to get that pick from Miami. They are in luxury tax hell and would consider trading #13 if they could shed some cap space.

#23 and Korver ($3.44) for #13 and Olynyk ($12.67) saves them over $10 million in salary which is a ton more in terms of luxury.

Even with Olynyk and #13, we have around $30 million in cap space. If we can lure Tobias in free agency, we can figure out how to shave $3 million to give him a max deal. Even with Olynyk and #13, we could still afford Russell at a max contract.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
His comment about bol bol- basically being at peace with missing on him- is correct to a point. At a certain point in the draft however, that's a risk you have to take. In my mind that is 23. Maybe it's 30 or 40. If you pass on him at 10, and he becomes a star, you can live with that. If you pass on that kind of talent at 35 and he becomes a star, you will be kicking yourself.
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It's not just the pick imo… its the investment in the roster spot and development that might be needed on a project like that. Burning a roster spot is also valuable... so I think it takes a team that is not in win now mode... so he may slide because generally teams in the 20s of the draft are in win now mode.

I wouldn't mind it if we picked him and let Bradley go, but two developmental centers taking up roster spots is tough. I would understand the pick... unlike the Bradley pick which never made sense.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Not in college.

BTW, how many times did he dunk one-handed? I swear
I’ve never seen such volume on the lamest dunks ever.
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At worst you can call him an average athlete out of Butler.

Jerome is well below average. They aren't comparable especially since we are talking about a player with a forward's body and a guy with a guard's body. I'm not sure Jerome, a 6'5 guard, has dunked in his entire Virginia career and has only recorded 4 blocked shots over 3 years.

*And Hayward doesnt have a negative wingspan*
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
At worst you can call him an average athlete out of Butler.

Jerome is well below average. They aren't comparable especially since we are talking about a player with a forward's body and a guy with a guard's body. I'm not sure Jerome, a 6'5 guard, has dunked in his entire Virginia career and has only recorded 4 blocked shots over 3 years.

*And Hayward doesnt have a negative wingspan*
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He does when he wears shoes. Like Hood.

I think your analysis is lazy but I agree it generally works. The most underrated thing in prospect evaluation is whether they can play basketball or not and most of these players aren’t close to skilled enough for the league. At a certain point, playing basketball well and playing winning basketball matters.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He does when he wears shoes. Like Hood.

I think your analysis is lazy but I agree it generally works. The most underrated thing in prospect evaluation is whether they can play basketball or not and most of these players aren’t close to skilled enough for the league. At a certain point, playing basketball well and playing winning basketball matters.
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It's not lazy. It's just factual information. And if you must add shoes, then make the statement "players who have a -1.5'' wingspan" (And Hood's w/ shoes height is equal to his wingspan, Hayward's is -.25'')

Being able to play basketball is great, but if a player is so against the grain as far as precedent goes, then maybe he isnt going to work out.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's not lazy. It's just factual information. And if you must add shoes, then make the statement "players who have a -1.5'' wingspan" (And Hood's w/ shoes height is equal to his wingspan, Hayward's is -.25'')

Being able to play basketball is great, but if a player is so against the grain as far as precedent goes, then maybe he isnt going to work out.
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Usually, sure.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Here's an interesting thing.

https://nbathlete.com/2019-prospect-profiles/ty-jerome/
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Interesting site. I'm trying to figure out their methodology, but at least it's some model to do apples-to-apples comparisons.

Kabengele draws comparisons to Karl Towns and Andre Drummond.
Bazley draws comparisons to CJ Leslie and Hakim Warrick.
Samanic draws comparisons to John Henson and Harry Giles (not sure about pre-injury vs. post).
Gafford comps to Jarrett Allen.
Claxton comps to Thon Maker.
PJ Washington comes in better than you'd expect, comparing to MKG and OG Anunoby.
Dylan Windler actually measured out in the same neighborhood as Bazley.

Kab, Bazley, Gafford, PJ and Windler are all solid NBA athletes.
 
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