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For those of you who don't like Jimmer...

Just to beat a dead horse, and because I got interested, I looked up all 2011 NBA players PPS to see who was 1.40 and better. I left a few below 1.40 on the list to give it some perspective.
Here is the list

1 Dwight Howard, C 1.72
2 Nene Hilario, C 1.7
3 Chauncey Billups, PG 1.56
4 Kevin Martin, SG 1.5
5 Paul Pierce, SF 1.47
6 Dirk Nowitzki, PF 1.46
7 Kevin Love, PF 1.44
8 Amir Johnson, PF 1.42
9 Steve Nash, PG 1.41
10 Kevin Durant, SF 1.41
11 Chris Paul, PG 1.41
12 LeBron James, SF 1.4
13 Dwyane Wade, SG 1.39
14 Arron Afflalo, SG 1.38
15 Richard Jefferson, SF 1.38
16 Eric Gordon, SG 1.38
17 Manu Ginobili, SG 1.38
18 Marc Gasol, C 1.37
19 Deron Williams, PG 1.36
20 Pau Gasol, PF 1.36

Who the heck is Amir Johnson?
Anyways, interesting.
 
Hey I'm with ya, Spazz. I'm not souring on the guy after one bad game (where, as Thriller pointed out, he still scored 32 pts. - however inefficiently).

He's not a chucker, last night being the exception.
 
Thriller Wrote:

Doesn't just everyone know of car dealers that score 30+ points on top 10 NCAA Div I teams all the time?
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Actually, yes. Well, they might not all be car dealers but I'm sure there are literally TONS of examples of players who had the ability to score 30+ points on top 10 NCAA Div I teams yet didn't enjoy long or fruitful NBA careers. Gerry McNamara is probably the first player that springs to mind.
 
jazzman12 said:
Thriller Wrote:



Actually, yes. Well, they might not all be car dealers but I'm sure there are literally TONS of examples of players who had the ability to score 30+ points on top 10 NCAA Div I teams yet didn't enjoy long or fruitful NBA careers. Gerry McNamara is probably the first player that springs to mind.
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Stockton to Malone Honda? Wait... neither of those guys ever scored 30 in the NCAA tournament, did they? No wonder they ended up as car dealers.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Just to beat a dead horse, and because I got interested, I looked up all 2011 NBA players PPS to see who was 1.40 and better. I left a few below 1.40 on the list to give it some perspective.
Here is the list

1 Dwight Howard, C 1.72
2 Nene Hilario, C 1.7
3 Chauncey Billups, PG 1.56
4 Kevin Martin, SG 1.5
5 Paul Pierce, SF 1.47
6 Dirk Nowitzki, PF 1.46
7 Kevin Love, PF 1.44
8 Amir Johnson, PF 1.42
9 Steve Nash, PG 1.41
10 Kevin Durant, SF 1.41
11 Chris Paul, PG 1.41
12 LeBron James, SF 1.4
13 Dwyane Wade, SG 1.39
14 Arron Afflalo, SG 1.38
15 Richard Jefferson, SF 1.38
16 Eric Gordon, SG 1.38
17 Manu Ginobili, SG 1.38
18 Marc Gasol, C 1.37
19 Deron Williams, PG 1.36
20 Pau Gasol, PF 1.36

Who the heck is Amir Johnson?
Anyways, interesting.
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Now I could be wrong, but it seems as if you're taking the PPS of NBA players in 2011 and using them as a comparison in regards to Jimmer's PPS. Do I have that correctly? Because if that's the case, I'd like you to share some of the drugs that you're on. How can you even begin to use the PPS of NBA players as some sort of measuring stick when discussing Jimmer's? You do realize that Jimmer achieved his PPS while not playing in the NBA? If you want to give valid comparisons, perhaps you should show us the PPS of similar players who hailed from mid-major conferences and how their PPS translated once they entered the NBA.
 
jazzman12 said:
Now I could be wrong, but it seems as if you're taking the PPS of NBA players in 2011 and using them as a comparison in regards to Jimmer's PPS. Do I have that correctly? Because if that's the case, I'd like you to share some of the drugs that you're on. How can you even begin to use the PPS of NBA players as some sort of measuring stick when discussing Jimmer's? You do realize that Jimmer achieved his PPS while not playing in the NBA? If you want to give valid comparisons, perhaps you should show us the PPS of similar players who hailed from mid-major conferences and how their PPS translated once they entered the NBA.
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This is beautiful. Count me in as a member of the mutual admiREPtion society.
 
jazzman12 said:
Now I could be wrong, but it seems as if you're taking the PPS of NBA players in 2011 and using them as a comparison in regards to Jimmer's PPS. Do I have that correctly? Because if that's the case, I'd like you to share some of the drugs that you're on. How can you even begin to use the PPS of NBA players as some sort of measuring stick when discussing Jimmer's? You do realize that Jimmer achieved his PPS while not playing in the NBA? If you want to give valid comparisons, perhaps you should show us the PPS of similar players who hailed from mid-major conferences and how their PPS translated once they entered the NBA.
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You are somewhat wrong. It is mainly informational, but you can use things like this to see the trends. Of course I am not comparing one to one from the NCAA to the NBA... but you can see that a 1.40 PPS is pretty good for guards, even for the NCAA. You can use your method to understand things, which may or may not include drugs.... I try to use my mind to understand things. Even things you cannot compare one to one, you can understand the trends, tendencies, and flows to get a better understanding.

If you read my post again, I just said I was interested in looking at PPS and looked at the NBA, and that was what I found. I was not actually saying Jimmer is better than Dwayne Wade because he has a better NCAA per than Wade's NBA per. As an interesting sidenote, Wade had a 1.40 PPS his last year in the NCAA's. If you take(waste) the time looking at college PPS numbers you will see that many players that made the transition had less PPS than Jimmer, and many had more.... but there are also tons that did not make it on both sides of that as well. I don't have the time to look into it to find out if there are any trends to who makes it and who does not, but I am sure there is something there. Maybe you, who are a genius at knowing what stats to compare, and what to not compare can do the leg work here and inform us all.
TIA
 
Man, I just read the entire Rick Reily article on Jimmer. I seriously couldn't believe how brutal it was. The Isuzu dealer remark was the nicest thing Rick had to say about him by far. However, I found the most damning statement in the article came from the mouth of Jimmer's very own teammate:

"The weird thing is, [his defense] has gotten progressively worse over the year," says Fredette's own teammate, Nick Martineau. "From the start, he's never really been accountable to it, but it's just gotten looser as the year's gone on. But he can play defense. He really can. He'll definitely tighten it up for the NBA."
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Really Martineau? You trash your own teammate for his complete lack of defensive effort and then follow it up by saying he'll "definitely" improve his defense once he gets to the NBA. This only enforces my belief that Jimmer simply likes shooting much more than he likes playing defense. That's a BIG problem and it's certainly not going to get any better once he gets to the NBA but look luck telling that to the Jimmer fanboys on this board.
 
Hoopsworld has him rated 18th, and I would say that is about right. Not saying he won'r be taken higher in the draft or that he might develop into a better player later. Just saying based on everything including his defense that ranking is about right.
 
I still like Jimmer, but

Utah Jazz draft Derrick Williams.

Derrick decides, for some stupid reason, to wear #8.

Freakazoid pulls his D-Will jerseys out of the trash.






LA Lakers air plane does a nose dive into the desert.

Kobe gets a ring just cuz.


MJ LOL.
 
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