green
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What if the Jazz had five players play, but Earl only stayed on the defensive half of the court, and Al only on the offensive.
Would anyone notice a difference?
For you Al apologists out there:
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What if the Jazz had five players play, but Earl only stayed on the defensive half of the court, and Al only on the offensive.
Would anyone notice a difference?
Litany
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Yep, if the Jazz pay Al what he is being paid right now they will end up committing 60% of their payroll to their 3-big rotation. That wont work long-term.
Some have suggested that we just trade Al when Kanter is ready, but Al and his contract will be untradeable then just as it is now.
If Jefferson is as awful as you say, he won't get a big deal. You don't really think you know better than the professional scouts around the league, do you?
I agree we don't need three large salaries in two positions, but I don't see Jefferson commanding a large salary, and if he does, it won't be on the Jazz.
Litany
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He will get paid, I just hope it isn't by us.
And teams overpay players all the time, you just hope its not the team you support. Look at Rudy Gay for a quick example.
Never been an All-Star, never been on an All-NBA team and a team STILL paid him a max contract.
jope
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More than that.....
5 top 10's
Kanter - 3
Favors - 3
Hayward - 9
Marvin - 2
Foye - 7
6 lottery picks
Burks - 12
Jefferson is not coming off his rookie contract. Yes, teams overpay young stars and centers (just like we overpaid Kirilenko). Jefferson with get extra for being a center, maybe more than we would like, but he's not young anymore. He will be market-priced.
green
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Al is a 20/10 guy. He will get at least as much as he is getting now. There are three "top" bigs this summer. Dwight, Bynum, and Al. The Lakers won't let Dwight go, and the 76ers have said said they are resigning Bynum. Al will get paid. I would not be surprised if he gets close to the max, but he will get paid at least as much as he is making now.
The problem with Al isthe same problem Tracy McGrady, Stephon Marbury, etc had. They aren't team players. They provide a net negative to their team. Al will get you 26 and 11, but he will also give up 34 and 15 to the opposition. He doesn't help on defense.
Because of his offense, he will get paid. Because of his defense, whoever pays him will get screwed.
green
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Jefferson is YOUNG. He is 28. He is in his PRIME. He can get a four year deal, so he will be 32 when his contract is up. He will get at least 15 million a year, if not more (if Dallas and Atlanta decide they both want him). He isn't even close to old, and won't be old when his next deal expires.
green
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Even more talent on this team. This team has a TON of talent. It is pathetic that we are as bad as we are.
PG -
SG - Hayward (9th overall), Burks (12th overall), Foye (7th overall)
SF - Marvin (2nd overall),
PF - Favors (3rd pick), Kanter (3rd pick)
C - Jefferson (15th pick)
Overachieving 2nd rounders (would go in the lottery if the draft was redone) - Millsap, Mo
Scrubs - Tinsley, Watson, Evans
Corbin sucks. He plays his worst players at each position the most:
Al (Paul, Favors and Kanter are all better overall)
Marvin (DeMare and Hayward are all better)
Foye (Hayward is better)
Tinsley/Watson (Burks is better)
If he's in his prime, he's not young, as Gay was for his first extension.
It's interesting that you think so many teams can't evaluate talent as well as you.
SojoDave
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I've been fascinated by what the Jazz are going to do with Jefferson for the last couple of years. I thought for sure they would do something this year before the trade deadline. I'm willing to bet that there are people in the Jazz FO that want to resign Big Al to the max. Chris Sheridan (not sure if he knows what he is talking about) thinks that because there aren't many big free agents, that Big Al will for sure get a max contract.
I'm pretty sure that the Jazz priority would be to resign Paul, and if that doesn't work out...watch out, because they will want to resign Big Al. The melt down on this board will be epic if that happens.
I'm pretty sure that the Jazz priority would be to resign Paul, and if that doesn't work out...watch out, because they will want to resign Big Al. The melt down on this board will be epic if that happens.
The Fresh Prince
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More like a 17.7/9 guy. Where do you get 20/10 out of that?
He wasn't a 20/10 guy in 2011-2012.
He wasn't a 20/10 guy in 2010-2011.
He wasn't a 20/10 guy in 2009/2010.
Weezur
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Listening to the Locke and Checkets podcast and they're claiming that the GM knows the Al stats subtly meaning, in the context that Locke is saying it in, that the FO is not going to sign Al next season.
Also they're asking, does Paul Milsap really want to be here next season? And the answer to that is maybe, maybe not. Remember, Paul signed the contract to Portland but we forced him to stay here. Then, Paul got the extension and rejected it. Very possible that we don't have either of them next year.
Also they're asking, does Paul Milsap really want to be here next season? And the answer to that is maybe, maybe not. Remember, Paul signed the contract to Portland but we forced him to stay here. Then, Paul got the extension and rejected it. Very possible that we don't have either of them next year.
green
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So, is he old? You are arguing with me over the word young. I say he is young and in his prime. You say he isn't. So, is he old? What do you think he is?
I didn't say I evaluate talent better than other NBA teams (ironically, you are doing the same thing as I am, just with a different opinion). I just said that Al isn't good for the Jazz.
Other teams may need a guy who can get you 20 pts on 20 shots a night. And those other teams are going to value that at a LOT of money, especially considering the fact that Al is durable, YOUNG, and entering/in his PRIME.
green
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Sorry, close to 20/10
18/9 this year
19/9 last year
19/9 the year before
17/9 before
23/11
21/11
Over the last six years, Al has average 20 pts and 10 rebs.
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The Fresh Prince
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For a team that is driven by Jefferson, he should be averaging 25/10 with the way some people describe him as.
green
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For the amount of shots he takes, he should be averaging 25 and 10. Easy.
Weezur
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If you didn't make that Big Al's waiter post, I could've repped you. .
DutchJazzer
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also to be a 20-10 guy. you should also take into acount the maoun tof shots he takes.
20-10 by taking 22 shots aint impressive