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Four Team Trade: Hou-NO-Ind-NJ

David Aldridge indicated some of the reason Houston did the deal is that they're high on Chase Budinger and Ariza would have lost some of his minutes anyway.

What a difference a year makes for Trevor Ariza.
 
Let me get this straight....NO just traded a likely 20 and 10 future PG on a rookie contract for the sub 40% shooting Trevor Ariza? The organization is ran by morons, no wonder CP3 wants out.
 
Stickler said:
Thrilled with this. As you guys probably know (because I mention it often enough) Indiana is my second team, after the Jazz. Collison helps them tremendously. The latest word on T.J. Ford is, he's not interested in taking a buyout. The Pacers are now overloaded with wings, and still need a power forward. They still have more expiring contracts. Larry Bird said, in the press conference today, that he can't imagine going into the season with the same group of players currently under contract. More trades are likely for Indiana. If they can't pull off another great trade like this one, I see the potential for them to give away one of their players to make room for Magnum Rolle. It will be interesting to see what happens...

And by the way, this puts Indiana in the playoffs.
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Magnum Rolle?
 
That is correct. Magnum Rolle.

They drafted him in the second round. They haven't signed him yet and they now have 15 players under contract for next season. He played great in the summer league, the Pacers love him, consider him part of their future, and intend to have him on the team for next season. (Their position of greatest need, now, is power forward, which Rolle is, and he's potentially a very good one--if more of a mid-range PF than a power player...) In order to secure him on their team, they will have to waive, trade, or buy somebody else out to open up that 15th roster spot for him.

Immediately upon the heels of this trade came the news that they were trying to buyout T.J. Ford. Immediately upon the heels of that news came the news that T.J. Ford would not take a buyout.
 
Stickler said:
That is correct. Magnum Rolle.

They drafted him in the second round. They haven't signed him yet and they now have 15 players under contract for next season. He played great in the summer league, the Pacers love him, consider him part of their future, and intend to have him on the team for next season. (Their position of greatest need, now, is power forward, which Rolle is, and he's potentially a very good one--if more of a mid-range PF than a power player...) In order to secure him on their team, they will have to waive, trade, or buy somebody else out to open up that 15th roster spot for him.

Immediately upon the heels of this trade came the news that they were trying to buyout T.J. Ford. Immediately upon the heels of that news came the news that T.J. Ford would not take a buyout.
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Cool. To say they're now in the playoffs as you stated earlier is a stretch though imo. Miami, Orlando, Boston and Atlanta are virtual locks. Chicago should also be in so that's five teams. Charlotte is very well coached and could certainly make it again. I'd like their chances better than Indy's. That's six and leaves two spots for Milwaukee, New York, Philly, and Indy. Assuming Bogut comes back to full-strength, that's seven which means Indy could be in a dogfight with the Knicks and I'll say it, Sixers who I think could be vastly improved.
 
Before this trade occurred, I had the Pacers at 7th in the East for next season, the Bobcats at 8th, the 76ers 9th, and the Knicks 11th. I think this trade solidifies that ranking for me. I don't think it moves the Pacers up from 7th. They need a rebounder. But I think Collison will help them a lot. They've needed a point guard so, so badly. You've also got a pair of exceedingly promising rookies in Lance Stephenson and Paul George who help them brick up their remaining weak spots. This has the potential to be a good team. If they can pick up an all-star big-man next offseason, they'll be on their way to contending again.
 
Stickler said:
Before this trade occurred, I had the Pacers at 7th in the East for next season, the Bobcats at 8th, the 76ers 9th, and the Knicks 11th. I think this trade solidifies that ranking for me. I don't think it moves the Pacers up from 7th. They need a rebounder. But I think Collison will help them a lot. They've needed a point guard so, so badly. You've also got a pair of exceedingly promising rookies in Lance Stephenson and Paul George who help them brick up their remaining weak spots. This has the potential to be a good team. If they can pick up an all-star big-man next offseason, they'll be on their way to contending again.
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A few things. As someone pointed out already, the Pacers were awful as a rebounding team last year. Without Murphy, they could be all-time league low bad. Add in a young Hibbert and their front line could be just God awful and abused by every single team in the league. Additionally, as I mentioned, Collison (who I like a lot) didn't win in NO. I know he was a rookie but I'm simply pointing out the fact that his rookie stats mean nothing if he can't develop and make those around him better. Time will tell. I mention this because there are too many writers out there anointing Rose, Jennings, and every other young point guard in the league who have won nothing to this point. Have they made the playoffs? Yes. But it's advancing and winning games that matter and we don't know how strong Collison will be in this department just yet. Just saying. They do have a nice young core though. How would you feel about Millsap at the 4 for them?
 
I don't know who else talked about their lack of rebounding---but I've actually been talking about it, myself, in this thread. But when you lose a player who gets a lot of rebounds, it doesn't necessarily mean your team loses those rebounds. The rebounds will still be available, it's just that someone else will be on the court. Whether Hansbrough or Hibbert can become great rebounders, we don't know. But it's not ridiculous to think that Hibbert or Granger might pick up an extra rebound or two a game. I think it's highly likely that their rebounding numbers will go up slightly across the board at every position. If their PF grabs 7 or 8 per game, that would probably be acceptable.

Millsap at the 4 is exactly what they need. But why would we give them Millsap? They don't have anybody we want.
 
Stickler said:
I don't know who else talked about their lack of rebounding---but I've actually been talking about it, myself, in this thread. But when you lose a player who gets a lot of rebounds, it doesn't necessarily mean your team loses those rebounds. The rebounds will still be available, it's just that someone else will be on the court. Whether Hansbrough or Hibbert can become great rebounders, we don't know. But it's not ridiculous to think that Hibbert or Granger might pick up an extra rebound or two a game. I think it's highly likely that their rebounding numbers will go up slightly across the board at every position. If their PF grabs 7 or 8 per game, that would probably be acceptable.

Millsap at the 4 is exactly what they need. But why would we give them Millsap? They don't have anybody we want.
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I wasn't saying we should give them Millsap. However, I think Millsap is a very tradeable asset who will still struggle against the Lakers and any other team with decent length. In the long run, I think we'd be better with AJ at the 4 and a true defensive presence at the 5, thus making Millsap expendable. Admittedly we have no idea how the PM-AJ duo at the 4-5 will work out yet. I'm crossing my fingers and think in the regular season we'll be just fine but come the playoffs, I'm not so sure.
 
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