Darkwing Duck
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Tinsley has about twice as many assists in about half as many minutes.
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Tinsley has about twice as many assists in about half as many minutes.
What? Tinsley, a PG who's incapable of doing anything except pass the ball, has more assists than a spot-up SG?? Shocking.
Darkwing Duck
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And we want the alternative, which is making that spot up SG a PG, which history has shown he's bad at, noticeably so when compared to his ability as the spot up SG.
I agree with that. I just don't think Tinsley is good enough. The Jazz should be looking for a decent backup PG.
SaltyDawg
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Put Foye at pg and he'll get more assists. The fact that he is getting assists at sg should be evidence enough that he'd be getting even more as a pg.
TheSilencer1313
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Foye would have to be better than that idiot Raymond Felton, as they are very similar players. Teams still use Felton at that position, so why can't the Jazz use Foye there sparingly for the time being.
Tinsley should definitely be on the court every single game, but just not for as many minutes.
Darkwing Duck
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Have you even looked at Foye's history as a PG? His assist rate is terrible as a PG compared to bad passing PGs in the league.
He's a BAD POINT GUARD. History says this. He's a GOOD SHOOTING GUARD. Why do you want to turn a good player into a bad one?
Hartsock
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How are they similar exactly? I would not think of Felton as a comparison for Foye. Felton is a PG, has been a PG his whole life. Foye has always been an undersized scoring guard. Not the same.
Darkwing Duck
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And yet Foye's assist rate isn't anywhere near Felton's, even when Foye played PG most of the time, like in Minnesota.
TheSilencer1313
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I suppose I was looking at body type and height as opposed to actually assist rates.
They're both bigger/fatter type of players that can dribble the ball well.
Obviously Felton is a better passer, but has been a strict point guard for a lot longer.
Hartsock
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So what was your point then?
This is Foye's 7th year. He's not just suddenly going to become a PG. And I'm not saying that he shouldn't be played as one, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that Foye would be a worse player than Tinsley at the position, all things considered.
TheSilencer1313
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The point is..... we're all looking for ways to get Burks on the court, but nobody can agree on a situation.
What if Burks can hit shots at the rate he was hitting them in summer league and the pre-season? Can he then share minutes with Foye at SG?
Not really. Players - especially scorers - usually need time to get rhythm.
TheSilencer1313
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So when is Burks going to get a chance to develop some rhythm?
Or do we have to be up by 30 on a team to get him any time.
spycam1
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How about everyone? He manages to do a lot of the things posters here suggest, he just does them when it's way too late.
-took him till game 4 of the 2012 playoff series to start Favors
-took him till game 4 to experiment with Carroll guarding Parker
-took him most of the season to realize that Burks deserved minutes over CJ and Braille
-it seems like they've ran Favors in the pick and roll a little more the past few games, as well as letting him play a face up/slashing game and less posting up. Something everyone has been saying to do for...how long?
These are just off the top of my head. I predict Corbin will eventually find more minutes for Burks by playing Foye and he together at the guard spots, he'll just get there at a snail's pace.
jope
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I still believe Alec could do what tinsley is doing at this point, but with the added effect of being able to make something happen when the shot clock runs down. Get the ball across the half line, and dish it off? Alec can do this. Alec is at 6 asts per 36 mins, with a 23% ast%. Both good for 3rd best on the team. (Also hasn't turned the ball over once yet )... Not saying this will hold true with more minutes, but he IS capable of finding the open man, and is light years better than tinsley at scoring and staying with his man.
Hartsock
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If he is hitting them at his preseason rate he is a hall of famer ..... minue the free throws obviously
You're preaching to the choir. I think Burks should be in, and the debate should be about which two of Tinsley, Carroll, and Foye should get to play. Foye has been making a pretty good case, honestly. Tinsley still has his usefulness, too. And Carroll.
It's interesting. But I think that all things considered, Burks deserves the nod until he proves he's not deserving. Not giving him a chance is ****ing criminal.
A good - even if kind of depressing - post.