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Fun info from tonight's jazz practice

Core4 said:
"As practice ended, Quin Snyder gathered the players bolded above (those with NBA contracts for next season) on the far end of the practice court, and ran through a quick drill displaying some of the spacing that he’d like his team to feature next season. In particular, he demonstrated the flexibility that getting the ball to the high post after a pick-and-roll can offer. After receiving the ball near the free throw line, Snyder showed that it’s easy to then swing the ball to an open corner three shooter, or simply dump it into an open low post player, in order to take advantage of the collapsing defense. It was interesting that Snyder was teaching these lessons on Day 1, as well as that he wanted his contract guys to get in a little more work than their non-contract counterparts."



I'm in love with Quin Synder and not ashamed to admit it!
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This would be one argument for matching the Hayward offer. Gordon might return to the 40% 3-PT shooter he was a couple of seasons ago. Still not a franchise player deserving of the max, but the gap would close a bit.
 
Core4 said:
"As practice ended, Quin Snyder gathered the players bolded above (those with NBA contracts for next season) on the far end of the practice court, and ran through a quick drill displaying some of the spacing that he’d like his team to feature next season. In particular, he demonstrated the flexibility that getting the ball to the high post after a pick-and-roll can offer. After receiving the ball near the free throw line, Snyder showed that it’s easy to then swing the ball to an open corner three shooter, or simply dump it into an open low post player, in order to take advantage of the collapsing defense. It was interesting that Snyder was teaching these lessons on Day 1, as well as that he wanted his contract guys to get in a little more work than their non-contract counterparts."



I'm in love with Quin Synder and not ashamed to admit it!
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And then all the returning players asked Snyder... "when do we dump it in the post and stand around?"

So glad Corbin is gone.
 
b_line said:
Burks % improved, but to say that he is a lot better shooter ignores that he shoots half the 3 point attempts that Hayward does, and one less 2 pointer per game. If Burks started shooting a lot of 3 pointers, I bet his percentage goes down.
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Well his as his 3 pt attempts have gone up, so has his percentage so far. But whatever, you will see what ya want
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];866738 said:
When Hayward shot a blistering 30% from three, where was he most effective? I'm really so curious.
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Shot 55% from the left elbow in the 15-23 foot range. Was pretty good everywhere in the midrange besides the right corner 15-20 range.

Burks just flat-out can't shoot off the dribble going left. His spot-up numbers where good from the left 3, but can't pull up going left.

Burks isn't anywhere near as good as Hayward.
 
Highlights from Snyder for me:

On the system..."The biggest thing for us is to understand spacing."

Two biggest points of emphasis..."I wanna see the ball move. And I wanna see us guard. Those are the 2 biggest things."

When Burke entered the interview area as SNyder was leaving Snyder said to the media "Tell Trey he’s gotta play defense!"

From Burke:

- Excited to play with Exum
- About Dand the coaches... "Kinda getting on us about making that a priority"
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Shot 55% from the left elbow in the 15-23 foot range. Was pretty good everywhere in the midrange besides the right corner 15-20 range.

Burks just flat-out can't shoot off the dribble going left. His spot-up numbers where good from the left 3, but can't pull up going left.

Burks isn't anywhere near as good as Hayward.
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Depends on your metrics.

Burks does a few things much better than Hayward, and those are things that a system should be able to use reliably and efficiently (slashing, getting to the line, etc.). While I agree that Hayward has a better overall/global game, when he's on a good team, there will be players with specific on-ball skill sets which are better/more efficient than Haywards on-ball skills (for example, Burks). This should force Hayward into more off-ball action. And, back to the bottom line: I don't want to pay that player $15mm a year. It's crazay talk.
 
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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];866755 said:
Depends on your metrics.

Burks does a few things much better than Hayward, and those are things that a system should be able to use reliably and efficiently (slashing, getting to the line, etc.). While I agree that Hayward has a better overall/global game, when he's on a good team, there will be players with specific on-ball skill sets which are better/more efficient than Haywards on-ball skills (for example, Burks). This should force Hayward into more off-ball action. And, back to the bottom line: I don't want to pay that player $15mm a year. It's crazay talk.
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Exum and Burks should THRIVE in Snyder's system. They can penetrate and kick.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];866738 said:
When Hayward shot a blistering 30% from three, where was he most effective? I'm really so curious.
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Right corner 37% and left angle 37%.
 
Triangle Man said:
Right corner 37% and left angle 37%.
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So hayward (the "shooter") best from three is barely better than burks (suppossed poor shooter) average
 
fishonjazz said:
So hayward (the "shooter") best from three is barely better than burks (suppossed poor shooter) average
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Last year, yes Haywards best spots were barely better than Burks average. Burks best spots from 3 were well into the 40's.

2 years ago Hayward had one spot at 36% and the rest were at 40 or higher. One year does not a good/bad shooter make.

I like Burks improvement but I'm not writing Hayward off because he stunk it up from 3 last year even if it was a step in the wrong direction.
 
Triangle Man said:
Last year, yes Haywards best spots were barely better than Burks average. Burks best spots from 3 were well into the 40's.

2 years ago Hayward had one spot at 36% and the rest were at 40 or higher. One year does not a good/bad shooter make.

I like Burks improvement but I'm not writing Hayward off because he stunk it up from 3 last year even if it was a step in the wrong direction.
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From what another poster said.... haywards shooting has got worse every year in the league.

Burks seems to be improving as the years go on and he gets more playing time.

Not sure if any of that matters to anyone but its interesting to me


48%
45%
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Gordons shooting percentage by year
 
b_line said:
Burks % improved, but to say that he is a lot better shooter ignores that he shoots half the 3 point attempts that Hayward does, and one less 2 pointer per game. If Burks started shooting a lot of 3 pointers, I bet his percentage goes down.

Hayward averaged 1.1 made three point shot per game, and burks averaged .6 made three pointers. There is more to being a good shooter than having a good percentage on limited shots. Korver and Memo were great shooters because they took a lot of shots and made a huge percentage of them. Hayward was that way in 2013, when the floor was spaced better, and I expect him to improve as the Jazz offense gets more spaced out. Burks should as well, especially if he and Hayward continue playing alongside each other as they did at the end of last season.

Damn Corbin. If he hadn't been such a crappy coach, we might know if Hayward is ever going approach being worth this Charlotte offer or not.
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Burks was one of our best catch and shooters lasted year at about 54%. Hayward was one of the worst in the league at close to 34%.
 
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