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Game 46 - Hornets at Jazz 1/30/13 7:00 PM MST, Root Sports

The Thriller said:
I find wins to be more painful than loses. I want thing to get ugly so we can finally force management to make changes... Necessary changes that any other franchise would have made over a year ago.

How 4 lottery picks barely get off our bench is beyond me. It's beyond comprehension.
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My feelings exactly. Jazz will sneak into the playoffs as the 8th seed, manage to somehow win ONE playoff game and KOC and TY will proclaim from the mountain tops that the team is making progress...and promptly re-sign Millsap AND Jefferson. If that happens, it will be time to find a new team to cheer for.
 
Did Tinsley get hurt?


Also, I thought Corbin managed Burks's late game minutes rather will. Dude was in right up until the 2 minute mark (smart decision to take him out). He also played completely within the offense, finding repeated opportunities to dish it to Al in the post. I was happy with what I sa (which was admittedly just the last half of the fourth quarter).

Favors seemed to have done well also.

I am of the opinion that perhaps all of this Burks doghouse-age might make him a more grown player when he (hopefully inevitably) gets his playing time increase back. I just hope the dude phases out Watson eventually-- I don't see how he is gonna get minutes when Mo comes back, seeing as Carroll has been doing so well.

-George
 
Was this game even entertaining? I mean... Seriously, we know that the young guys aren't going to play. So at least these games are entertaining, right? I mean... Watching big al post up is sooooo entertaining, right? Right guys? This Jazz team is soooo fun to watch. Beating down a lotto pelican team in Salt Lake City without their best player by a few points was so fun... Right?

Is it just me or does boler and Harp really try and force the excitement on us? I know nothing gets me out of my couch and cheering my jazz and fist pumping than watching al pump fake 4 times and shoot a shoot a weezy over 3 defenders...

They act like Millsap making a layup or al making an elbow jumper is like Kobe nailing a game winning fadeaway after scoring 50 points
 
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Millsap is a real player. I worry some of the zealotry about The Four distracts from what good there is left in the veterans.
 
George said:
Did Tinsley get hurt?


Also, I thought Corbin managed Burks's late game minutes rather will. Dude was in right up until the 2 minute mark (smart decision to take him out). He also played completely within the offense, finding repeated opportunities to dish it to Al in the post. I was happy with what I sa (which was admittedly just the last half of the fourth quarter).


Favors seemed to have done well also.

I am of the opinion that perhaps all of this Burks doghouse-age might make him a more grown player when he (hopefully inevitably) gets his playing time increase back. I just hope the dude phases out Watson eventually-- I don't see how he is gonna get minutes when Mo comes back, seeing as Carroll has been doing so well.

-George
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We keep saying that it is inevitable that Burks will play... But it never happens. 2 years ago we were saying the same about Favors. Look now. He still struggles to get more than 20 mins per game.
 
The Thriller said:
Was this game even entertaining? I mean... Seriously, we know that the young guys aren't going to play. So at least these games are entertaining, right? I mean... Watching big al post up is sooooo entertaining, right? Right guys? This Jazz team is soooo fun to watch. Beating down a lotto pelican team in Salt Lake City without their best player by a few points was so fun... Right?

Is it just me or does boler and Harp really try and force the excitement on us? I know nothing gets me out of my couch and cheering my jazz and fist pumping than watching al pump fake 4 times and shoot a shoot a weezy over 3 defenders...

They act like Millsap making a layup or al making an elbow jumper is like Kobe nailing a game winning fadeaway after scoring 50 points
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I love that Kanter is seeing this on a daily basis throughout his youth. Is there a better offensive post player in the NBA right now (save for the obvious in Duncan) for Kanter to learn from, in terms of learning how a center can close out a game?

If Kanter can learn 75% of Al's moves and develop them to consistency, our team will become a playoff staple. Guaranteed.

The more I see Al succeed in the clutch, the more I anticipate that Favors and Kanter will look up to him, and try to learn some of the things Al does that makes him so effective late in games- offensively.
 
The Thriller said:
We keep saying that it is inevitable that Burks will play... But it never happens. 2 years ago we were saying the same about Favors. Look now. He still struggles to get more than 20 mins per game.
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Favors 20 minutes isn't NEARLY as awful as Burks's string of DNPs. In fact, I do not remember the last time Favors has gotten a DNP.

20 minutes is more than enough time to develop and hone your skills as a young player.

Burks getting 20mpg would result in no complaints from my end-- particularly if his game was as immature as it is now.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Millsap is a real player. I worry some of the zealotry about The Four distracts from what good there is left in the veterans.
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Its a matter of overcompensation. We want to love Millsap, for example, but due to the substitution patterns it always seems to come at the cost. So he becomes part of the problem ... you know? This whole thing could (should) be handled better, namely, a trade.
 
Sneakers said:
Its a matter of overcompensation. We want to love Millsap, for example, but due to the substitution patterns it always seems to come at the cost. So he becomes part of the problem ... you know? This whole thing could (should) be handled better, namely, a trade.
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Millsap has never been a problem. Glad a few posters have had the spine to support him all season long.
 
Anyway the "problem" I was talking about is the problem of having the young guns routinely on the bench... I was explaining how youth-fanaticism leads to Millsap-angst
 
The Thriller said:
Was this game even entertaining? I mean... Seriously, we know that the young guys aren't going to play. So at least these games are entertaining, right? I mean... Watching big al post up is sooooo entertaining, right? Right guys? This Jazz team is soooo fun to watch. Beating down a lotto pelican team in Salt Lake City without their best player by a few points was so fun... Right?
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Sounds like you need to watch a different sport for a while.
 
George said:
I love that Kanter is seeing this on a daily basis throughout his youth. Is there a better offensive post player in the NBA right now (save for the obvious in Duncan) for Kanter to learn from, in terms of learning how a center can close out a game?

If Kanter can learn 75% of Al's moves and develop them to consistency, our team will become a playoff staple. Guaranteed.

The more I see Al succeed in the clutch, the more I anticipate that Favors and Kanter will look up to him, and try to learn some of the things Al does that makes him so effective late in games- offensively.
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They could also be learning how to sleep through the first 3 quarters of games and not play defense, no?
 
GVC said:
They could also be learning how to sleep through the first 3 quarters of games and not play defense, no?
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I feel like even you do not believe this-- rather, you're just trying to discredit my post.

I'll bite: I feel like Ty is more picky with the core4's defense than Al's and Sap's (reasoning behind their subsequent benching if they F up). Favors has repeatedly exclaimed his pride on defense, and Kanter, Burks, and Hayward ALL show effort on the defensive ends.

They're adults. I would hope that they can analyze a player, look at what they do well, and what they don't do as well. Players like Hayward have been shown on television to immediately confront Al after he blows a defensive assignment. They have guaranteed seen Al throw away victories via his defensive ineptitude- they have played basketball for nearly all their lives, they know whats going on just as well as we do.

To summarize in two words: They won't.

-George
 
Sneakers said:
Anyway the "problem" I was talking about is the problem of having the young guns routinely on the bench... I was explaining how youth-fanaticism leads to Millsap-angst
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This is spot on, I've even fallen pray to this type of thinking. I really like Millsap, he's my second favorite man to don a Jazz jersey in the last 10 years. I have no problem with him getting a reasonable, new contract and staying with the team. I have no problem with him playing 30 minutes a night. I do have a problem with him playing thirty minutes a night at the expense of our back-to-back #3 lottery picks. Millsap can play 40 minutes a night for all I care, as long as Favors & Kanter both see 20-25 minutes a night. I love the idea of those 3 as our core bigs heading forward.

Sometimes I get wrapped up in the fact that the kids don't play enough and I direct my anger at Millsap instead of who is solely to blame, Tyrone.
 
I liked how Corbin did a 3 big man rotation, except that Kanter was left out, If Favors had millsaps minutes, Kanter had Jeffersons minutes and millsap had favors minutes tonight, and jefferson gets kanters minutes to end the game. I would be extremely happy.

I thinks its a sign for the future that he may run a three man front court after the trafe deadline.
 
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