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ONE LOVE said:
How so?
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I love the show and the books. But in some ways, I feel like the show has followed the books to closely. The show has always been under a lot of pressure to service the big moments (and the small) from the book. The second season was built around blackwater, the third around the red wedding, etc. While uniformly great, the show has had a tendency to drag in the middle of its seasons. It's probably been too loyal to the books. But in this season they are more liberally adapting books 4 and 5--plot lines are being changed/cut/added, characters' storylines are changing or accelerating (I could go into details, most of which are common knowledge, but they might be spoilers for some).

Also, for me, there's an excitement with the unknown. I read all the books before season one premiered and I've basically always been able to predict what was going to happen and when... which has been fun because I love the source material and enjoy seeing it serviced. But this season I honestly have no idea what's going on with some characters. And there's likely going to be material that is either original to the show's universe, or from Winds. Depending on whether you want the books spoiled or not, this is exciting. For me it is. I've been waiting long enough to find out what happens next. And the show is finally going to tell me.
 
fallenchicken said:
I love the show and the books. But in some ways, I feel like the show has followed the books to closely. The show has always been under a lot of pressure to service the big moments (and the small) from the book. The second season was built around blackwater, the third around the red wedding, etc. While uniformly great, the show has had a tendency to drag in the middle of its seasons. It's probably been too loyal to the books. But in this season they are more liberally adapting books 4 and 5--plot lines are being changed/cut/added, characters' storylines are changing or accelerating (I could go into details, most of which are common knowledge, but they might be spoilers for some).

Also, for me, there's an excitement with the unknown. I read all the books before season one premiered and I've basically always been able to predict what was going to happen and when... which has been fun because I love the source material and enjoy seeing it serviced. But this season I honestly have no idea what's going on with some characters. And there's likely going to be material that is either original to the show's universe, or from Winds. Depending on whether you want the books spoiled or not, this is exciting. For me it is. I've been waiting long enough to find out what happens next. And the show is finally going to tell me.
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How do you feel after having read the book and watching it on screen? I know when I read Gone Girl I really enjoyed it, and the movie, although quite well done, couldn't quite live up to it at all. So I didn't care for it much, was actually a bit disappointed even.
 
fallenchicken said:
It's stupid how excited I am for next week. I think this is going to be the best season. It just feels that way. The show is liberated from narrowly servicing all the big moments in the books, and can make its own path now. This season could have a whole new energy. Plus Dorne.
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**** dorne
 
ONE LOVE said:
How do you feel after having read the book and watching it on screen? I know when I read Gone Girl I really enjoyed it, and the movie, although quite well done, couldn't quite live up to it at all. So I didn't care for it much, was actually a bit disappointed even.
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I read the books and loved them
Watch the show and love it. They have done a good job...... especially with thier casting choices.
 
Im excited to see arya go to her new temple to start her new "career"
 
I just want to check something. Very mild spoiler if it's even a spoiler
In the show they have never shown where Arya's wolf went, have they? They've never really mentioned the giant wolf pack?
 
ONE LOVE said:
How do you feel after having read the book and watching it on screen? I know when I read Gone Girl I really enjoyed it, and the movie, although quite well done, couldn't quite live up to it at all. So I didn't care for it much, was actually a bit disappointed even.
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There's some things the show does better, some things the books. Different mediums and to enjoy both you have to embrace that and let them each be their own entity imo. The show elevates some characters and storylines and drops the ball on others. I'd say the Lannisters are better in the show, if only for the great actors and great production values. The North has really suffered in the show version, perhaps because of how expensive it probably is, or Jon and gang are just less interesting TV characters than the Lannisters. Books 4 and 5 had their moments but weren't great. I think the show has the luxury of streamlining a lot of the sideplots and maybe even being better than the most recent books.
 
I think the state that Westeros is in will hit a little harder visually than it did in the books. I think the roundy roundy trek many characters go on will work well in the show where it really seemed to drag in the books. I think it'll work better in the show because they won't be dragging it out the way GRRM has done over the last several books.

So, saying that, I feel like GRRM is losing his touch. I think he isn't seeing the forest for the trees at this point and is trying too hard to develop this elaborate universe and weave characters together instead of telling the damn story. I'm kind of sceptical about what we're gonna get in book six and I'm very sceptical about the climax that really ought to be one of the best climaxes of any story I'm familiar with. And I wonder if GRRM will even be the one to write it.

Hell, I think he's even mentioned the possibility that he won't be able to wrap it all up by book seven and might need another book or two.

Hey GRRM, stop trying to put so much in there and move the ****ing plot already!
 
Spoilers are from a dance with dragons

I just finished the books and

I am sad that Quentyn Martell died. I don't think I have bonded with a character but I liked Quent and I really didn't want him to die so tragically.
 
Gameface said:
I think the state that Westeros is in will hit a little harder visually than it did in the books. I think the roundy roundy trek many characters go on will work well in the show where it really seemed to drag in the books. I think it'll work better in the show because they won't be dragging it out the way GRRM has done over the last several books.

So, saying that, I feel like GRRM is losing his touch. I think he isn't seeing the forest for the trees at this point and is trying too hard to develop this elaborate universe and weave characters together instead of telling the damn story. I'm kind of sceptical about what we're gonna get in book six and I'm very sceptical about the climax that really ought to be one of the best climaxes of any story I'm familiar with. And I wonder if GRRM will even be the one to write it.

Hell, I think he's even mentioned the possibility that he won't be able to wrap it all up by book seven and might need another book or two.

Hey GRRM, stop trying to put so much in there and move the ****ing plot already!
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He's got Wheel of Time syndrome. It seems to be a thing that happens to fantasy writers. They can create a universe and expand it but have a hard time reigning themselves in. It's almost as if they don't want to leave the world they created, which is understandable in a sense. Artistically, it must be very exciting. But at some point you have to say no to yourself (george is too rich and successful for any editor to say no to him), make choices, and wrap things up.
 
Hekate said:
Spoilers are from a dance with dragons

I just finished the books and

I am sad that Quentyn Martell died. I don't think I have bonded with a character but I liked Quent and I really didn't want him to die so tragically.
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Maybe I'm heartless but I hated Quentyn. I'm glad he's dead and happier that he won't be in the show at all. Quentyn is the perfect example of George's Wheel of Time syndrome.
 
fallenchicken said:
I love the show and the books. But in some ways, I feel like the show has followed the books to closely. The show has always been under a lot of pressure to service the big moments (and the small) from the book. The second season was built around blackwater, the third around the red wedding, etc. While uniformly great, the show has had a tendency to drag in the middle of its seasons. It's probably been too loyal to the books. But in this season they are more liberally adapting books 4 and 5--plot lines are being changed/cut/added, characters' storylines are changing or accelerating (I could go into details, most of which are common knowledge, but they might be spoilers for some).

Also, for me, there's an excitement with the unknown. I read all the books before season one premiered and I've basically always been able to predict what was going to happen and when... which has been fun because I love the source material and enjoy seeing it serviced. But this season I honestly have no idea what's going on with some characters. And there's likely going to be material that is either original to the show's universe, or from Winds. Depending on whether you want the books spoiled or not, this is exciting. For me it is. I've been waiting long enough to find out what happens next. And the show is finally going to tell me.
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I totally agree. I don't necessarily see the show splitting with the books as a bad thing. The showrunners have done a great job so far, and some of the very best scenes were never in the books at all (the scene between Robert and Cersei in episode five of season one is still a personal favorite of mine, for instance). Now that it's officially confirmed that the show will outpace Martin's writing (not that there was ever much doubt that would happen), the showrunners are free to do as they please without having to conform to an already-existing story. I'd wager that this will the shot in the arm that the show needed.
 
Gameface said:
I feel like GRRM is losing his touch. I think he isn't seeing the forest for the trees at this point and is trying too hard to develop this elaborate universe and weave characters together instead of telling the damn story. I'm kind of sceptical about what we're gonna get in book six and I'm very sceptical about the climax that really ought to be one of the best climaxes of any story I'm familiar with. And I wonder if GRRM will even be the one to write it.

Hell, I think he's even mentioned the possibility that he won't be able to wrap it all up by book seven and might need another book or two.

Hey GRRM, stop trying to put so much in there and move the ****ing plot already!
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Incidentally, this is exactly what happened with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time. They started going downhill after book five or so, just getting slower and slower until they were just a huge snooze. And then he died before he could finish. Brandon Sanderson had to ghostwrite the last books. And again, I haven't read them, but friends who have tell me that Sanderson's books were way better than Jordan's recent plodding ones.

Anyway, this is really starting to seem like deja vu. The only real difference between the two situations is that Martin is a better writer than Jordan ever was.

EDIT: Gah, I made this post and then realized that fallenchicken had said much the same thing already. :-P
 
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