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Game Thread - Jazz @ Kings - 8:00 PM MST

The Thriller said:
This team is lacking toughness too. Jae Crowder had his offensive limitations. But he also brought a hard hat to work every time. We’re lacking some toughness
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This is the one obviously hole in our team. I knew it going into the season. we need a mean nasty player to get in and be dirty. all championship teams have one. we currently do not.
 
Revolution 9 said:
This is the one obviously hole in our team. I knew it going into the season. we need a mean nasty player to get in and be dirty. all championship teams have one. we currently do not.
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Marcus Morris.
 
Revolution 9 said:
This is the one obviously hole in our team. I knew it going into the season. we need a mean nasty player to get in and be dirty. all championship teams have one. we currently do not.
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It’s a big hole too. All the other top teams have at least one lunch pail tough guy. Who could be that guy? Bradley? Not sure if we even have anyone on the entire roster who can “be that guy.” Even Favors was quietly “nasty” with his defense, rebounding, and lob threat off the P&R.

infection said:
Marcus Morris.
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Unfortunately, that ship has sailed. Many of us advocated for signing him over the summer. Isn’t he with the Knicks now? Don’t think we could even trade for him until December, right? And even then, do we have the assets and salary to make it work?

Not only is this team flawed, but I find them abhorrent to watch. At least the previous version could generate open looks. Open looks that would be bricked most of the time by Rubio and Crowder. But at least the offense could generate open looks. And there were times we’d get hot and could score with the best of teams. I’m not sure this team has that kind of juice. Everything seems to be limited to half court sets and bogged down. The only person who consistently rebounds is rudy.

Plenty of time for this team to improve on offense. But I can’t help to wonder if the flaws that we traded for over the summer won’t ultimately limit this team. Was this summer really a success if we end up being the 3-7 seed and while being a good playoff team, we’re ultimately not good enough to beat the top western conference teams?

Not good.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
What? We have the same record so last year so far. We had a bad loss to crappy Memphis last year. After this that team went on a 4 game losing streak. That team has a losing record into January.
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So your argument is that we didn’t improve over the offseason. Is that it? Or what is your argument? Please be more explicit.
 
Can’t wait to get the 5 seed again. Then, the glass half full crowd will carry on about chemistry and how young Donovan is and how we’re just tapping into our potential, ignoring the fact that there’s turnover every year in the league and teams with new faces still manage to get the 1 or 2 seed or how crazy young teams (see Nuggets, Denver) manage to do the same, or how Conley isn’t young and so the window for THIS core is 2-3 years.
 
Why do I feel weirdly optimistic after this loss? For some reason, I think this game provided an unusually clear blueprint for what the team needs to improve on, IDs on which players are not being maximized by the current experiments with lineups, and plenty of good signs that they’re all working well together to figure this stuff out.

First minutes of Jeff Green at Center. Very intrigued.

Bojan needs to improve on D—especially in all 5-out scenarios.

Rudy is a ****ing monster.

Mudiay will drive me nuts. And I’m already weary of this idea that he and Donovan should share the floor with the second unit.

Etc.
 
NAOS said:
Why do I feel weirdly optimistic after this loss? For some reason, I think this game provided an unusually clear blueprint for what the team needs to improve on, IDs on which players are not being maximized by the current experiments with lineups, and plenty of good signs that they’re all working well together to figure this stuff out.

First minutes of Jeff Green at Center. Very intrigued.

Bojan needs to improve on D—especially in all 5-out scenarios.

Rudy is a ****ing monster.

Mudiay will drive me nuts. And I’m already weary of this idea that he and Donovan should share the floor with the second unit.

Etc.
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I’m more optimistic about Sunday with the loss. I had Sunday penciled as a loss. This may give us a bit more motivation. I was skeptical about this game because they were 0-5. Losing streaks are meant to be broken. We’ll see.
 
Turnovers killed us and the fact the they are so many is understandable. Those guys still need time to get used to each other. The biggest positive so far is the defense. Despite rebounding issues we manage really well so far (kneel before the Rudy everybody). Any news on Ed Davis injury?
 
The Thriller said:
It’s a big hole too. All the other top teams have at least one lunch pail tough guy. Who could be that guy? Bradley? Not sure if we even have anyone on the entire roster who can “be that guy.” Even Favors was quietly “nasty” with his defense, rebounding, and lob threat off the P&R.



Unfortunately, that ship has sailed. Many of us advocated for signing him over the summer. Isn’t he with the Knicks now? Don’t think we could even trade for him until December, right? And even then, do we have the assets and salary to make it work?

Not only is this team flawed, but I find them abhorrent to watch. At least the previous version could generate open looks. Open looks that would be bricked most of the time by Rubio and Crowder. But at least the offense could generate open looks. And there were times we’d get hot and could score with the best of teams. I’m not sure this team has that kind of juice. Everything seems to be limited to half court sets and bogged down. The only person who consistently rebounds is rudy.

Plenty of time for this team to improve on offense. But I can’t help to wonder if the flaws that we traded for over the summer won’t ultimately limit this team. Was this summer really a success if we end up being the 3-7 seed and while being a good playoff team, we’re ultimately not good enough to beat the top western conference teams?

Not good.
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You could (salary wise) trade Bradley and Exum for MM. Of course hypothetically. But I think the rest is a bit over the top. There are only four guys in the rotation who were on the team last year. The other 5 are new. We’re 6 games in and we’re 4-2. We’ve lost two road games — one against the current #1 seed and another by a point. Yes, we have some rebounding issues. Yes, there may be some defensive issues with bigger wings. My assessment says we’re ahead of trajectory, as our defense is still good, and nothing like preseason. Our offense is still struggling, but to think we added Bogdanovic and Conley and that we’d be worse than last year is silly. I projected 56-57 wins. Thus far, I’m not adjusting that. We will likely go 1-2 over our next three.
 
Jazzmix said:
Turnovers killed us and the fact the they are so many is understandable. Those guys still need time to get used to each other. The biggest positive so far is the defense. Despite rebounding issues we manage really well so far (kneel before the Rudy everybody). Any news on Ed Davis injury?
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All I've seen is day-to-day.

Random fact: Damian Lillard stated Ed Davis is his favorite teammate of all time.
 
Every year, people lose their **** anytime the Jazz lose to an inferior team like it’s never happened in previous years. They proclaim doom and gloom, then yearn for the good old days when the team was just as bad or worse and racked up L’s that were just as bad, worse, or more numerous. It’s a fine tradition.

The Jazz are 4-2 in the most competitive conference I’ve ever seen, and maybe in all of NBA history, after turning over most of the roster without adding any all-stars, let alone superstars. The best players they acquired were nonetheless their previous teams’ 1st options for significant portions of the season and now are expected to just know when and where to get perfect shots in an egalitarian system they’ve never played in, under a coach they’ve never played for who is as method-focused as he is results-oriented, but not as 1st options.

Lastly, they haven’t slept in the same bed for two consecutive nights since the season began.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Every year, people lose their **** anytime the Jazz lose to an inferior team like it’s never happened in previous years. They proclaim doom and gloom, then yearn for the good old days when the team was just as bad or worse and racked up L’s that were just as bad, worse, or more numerous. It’s a fine tradition.

The Jazz are 4-2 in the most competitive conference I’ve ever seen, and maybe in all of NBA history, after turning over most of the roster without adding any all-stars, let alone superstars. The best players they acquired were nonetheless their previous teams’ 1st options for significant portions of the season and now are expected to just know when and where to get perfect shots in an egalitarian system they’ve never played in, under a coach they’ve never played for who is as method-focused as he is results-oriented, but not as 1st options.

Lastly, they haven’t slept in the same bed for two consecutive nights since the season began.
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They got lucky against the suns. And against clippers. Well if Kawhi plays they lose that game to. So could easily be 2 and 4
 
Jazz said:
They got lucky against the suns. And against clippers. Well if Kawhi plays they lose that game to. So could easily be 2 and 4
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The only thing that matters are Ws. You could say the same thing about last year, but we still won 50 games no matter how you want to qualify it.

Go ahead and qualify the Lakers game because we didn’t have Bojan.

Hell, why not qualify all games since we didn’t have Exum?
 
Y’all weak. This was a loss all the way. Check the receipts, it happens.

Try to go 2-1 the next three. 1-2 is fine though. Then we go on a big run.
 
Jazzmix said:
Turnovers killed us and the fact the they are so many is understandable. Those guys still need time to get used to each other. The biggest positive so far is the defense. Despite rebounding issues we manage really well so far (kneel before the Rudy everybody). Any news on Ed Davis injury?
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Even in the game last night I think the rebounding issues are being over exaggerated. I believe the Kings had 2 more rebounds than us.

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infection said:
You could (salary wise) trade Bradley and Exum for MM. Of course hypothetically. But I think the rest is a bit over the top. There are only four guys in the rotation who were on the team last year. The other 5 are new. We’re 6 games in and we’re 4-2. We’ve lost two road games — one against the current #1 seed and another by a point. Yes, we have some rebounding issues. Yes, there may be some defensive issues with bigger wings. My assessment says we’re ahead of trajectory, as our defense is still good, and nothing like preseason. Our offense is still struggling, but to think we added Bogdanovic and Conley and that we’d be worse than last year is silly. I projected 56-57 wins. Thus far, I’m not adjusting that. We will likely go 1-2 over our next three.
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