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Game thread: jazz play a game in a couple of hours, the Timberpups edition.

Not coincidentally, you're not the first to make a stupid, baseless claim about a player and neither the last. Stop it. We all like Kanter and especially appreciate his efforts on defense lately - we don't need you making up reasons to bash on Favors to see it.

Neither...nor.

Work on it.
 
Neither...nor.

Work on it.

Are you talking to me?

I was directly addressing his statement that "Favors lack of passion for the game is not a news....I'm not first to say it and neither the last!", and worded it the same way in order to emphasize that.

In fact, I very briefly considered putting quotes around "neither the last", but I'm guessing English isn't his first language and elected not to make an issue of his grammar.
 
First off, I have to give credit to Trey. He had a fantastic night and kept Utah in the game. Only a couple of questionable shot attempts; everything else was solid. Led the team in attempts, but he was the one being left open - and he took it to the rim. Hayward even passed up one shot and threw it the guy (Trey) who had the hot hand. Great unselfish play by Gordon.

Jazz fought hard, and just like the Philly game, they "buckled up" (or is that down?) and finished strong. Rudy and Dante completely disappeared. But Favs, Gordon and Trey stepped it up. And Enes with a double-double and a great steal. He read that pass all the way and timed it perfectly. Nice finish, too. I think he actually stepped on the players foot with his first step as he began to go up.
 
You and your friends are obsessed by Kanter. I almost only comment the Jazz games on this board and speak about all the players without biases.

It is my personal opinion that Favors does not play winning basketball...so learn to respect the others opinion! You asked me to explain my reasons and I did it...not like you coward...where is your explanation? You have not arguments and you trot out Kanter and search for support as usual!

Did I wrote that Kanter plays winning basketball? No! I only wrote that is time for decisions and Kanter or Favors has to be traded!
So, to bring back an observation I have often argued against - but it seems to fit here - exactly what is the Jazz' record when Kanter starts and Favors doesn't play? Go back to last season as well. If your argument is that Favors doesn't play winnuing basketball but Kanter does, you better rethink that argument. Favors is not going to take over games. He's not a 1-on-1 player. Favors and Kanter have nearly identical per36 numbers for both scoring and rebounding. And I think we'd all agree Favors is the better defender. Both had key plays late in the game tonight.

And please explain to me why either Favors or Kanter has to be traded. Is there a rule against having three good bigs who play around 32 mins each, depending on matchups, foul trouble and effectiveness?
 
So, to bring back an observation I have often argued against - but it seems to fit here - exactly what is the Jazz' record when Kanter starts and Favors doesn't play? Go back to last season. Favors is not going to take over games. He's not a 1-on-1 player. Favors and Kanter have nearly identical per36 numbers for both scoring and rebounding. And I think we'd all agree Favors is the better defender.

And please explain to me why either Favors or Kanter has to be traded? Is there a rule against having three good bigs who play around 32 mins each, depending on matchups, foul trouble and effectiveness?

I don't know if that necessarily says, "Look how good Favors is" or "Look how bad our depth is".
 
So, to bring back an observation I have often argued against - but it seems to fit here - exactly what is the Jazz' record when Kanter starts and Favors doesn't play? Go back to last season as well. If your argument is that Favors doesn't play winnuing basketball but Kanter does, you better rethink that argument.

I never said that Kanter plays winning baskestball so what are you talking about? Anyway your observation is superficial.

And please explain to me why either Favors or Kanter has to be traded. Is there a rule against having three good bigs who play around 32 mins each, depending on matchups, foul trouble and effectiveness?

In my opinion a team like the Jazz can't afford to pay two bigs more than $12 million per year if none of them is an All-Star. Especially after the Burks new contract.
 
I never said that Kanter plays winning baskestball so what are you talking about? Anyway your observation is superficial.

Well you did kind of point out that its decision time for the Jazz and they have to trade Favors or Kanter (for some reason). When you combine that with your outspoken belief that Favors isn't a winner and isn't passionate about basketball, it doesn't take much to connect the dots.
 
So, to bring back an observation I have often argued against - but it seems to fit here - exactly what is the Jazz' record when Kanter starts and Favors doesn't play? Go back to last season as well. If your argument is that Favors doesn't play winnuing basketball but Kanter does, you better rethink that argument. Favors is not going to take over games. He's not a 1-on-1 player. Favors and Kanter have nearly identical per36 numbers for both scoring and rebounding. And I think we'd all agree Favors is the better defender. Both had key plays late in the game tonight.

And please explain to me why either Favors or Kanter has to be traded. Is there a rule against having three good bigs who play around 32 mins each, depending on matchups, foul trouble and effectiveness?
why does it have to be about Kanter, again?
He provided 14/12 in 25 minutes.
Why wouldn't we, as Jazzfanz, enjoy the effing W.
Thank you.
 
I don't know if that necessarily says, "Look how good Favors is" or "Look how bad our depth is".

Bingo.
Also, for those wins/losses last year it should be noted that Kanter immediately returned to the bench when Marvin, Trey, and Jeremy got healthy. There is no way to correlate that him starting was the reason for us losing. Only honest conclusion that should be drawn is that we had key players injured. Young teams struggle, especially when injury bugs bite.


Let me posit this for those discussing bigs:
Favors is good. Kanter is good. Rudy is good. We could keep all three and be fine, or we could keep two and trade the one who would fetch the most return right now, who also has a clear replacement on the roster. Bigs (centers, which is what ours are) are great, but in today's NBA, how many does one actually need? Look at GSW.
 
Love seeing all the Trey haters shut up. I thought he played well last night too in LA. Forcing it less, playing with energy, and with more focus. The hatred for trey has been unwarranted, and over the top. Yes he's been frustrating, but hes also had good games, a solid rookie year, and is still a baby. Give him a chance to grow before throwing him to the wolves at 22.
 
Favors is really undervalued on this board. Look at him compared to other players of the league in the same position. He's much better and more valuable than most give him credit for when seen in light of other players at his position.

I really love the fact that Favors took the loss, and missed FTs, in La hard. Got to love him coming to arena early and shooting FTs.
 
Andy Larsen ‏@andyblarsen

Quin Snyder said, and the players confirmed, that for one full timeout, Quin just said nothing and stared at the players. It worked.

lol, I wonder if they have footage of that?
 
So, to bring back an observation I have often argued against - but it seems to fit here - exactly what is the Jazz' record when Kanter starts and Favors doesn't play? Go back to last season as well. If your argument is that Favors doesn't play winnuing basketball but Kanter does, you better rethink that argument. Favors is not going to take over games. He's not a 1-on-1 player. Favors and Kanter have nearly identical per36 numbers for both scoring and rebounding. And I think we'd all agree Favors is the better defender. Both had key plays late in the game tonight.

And please explain to me why either Favors or Kanter has to be traded. Is there a rule against having three good bigs who play around 32 mins each, depending on matchups, foul trouble and effectiveness?
they all 3 seem to have what the other ones lack. if we morphed them together we would have the greatest center ever,but since we cant then we should keep all 3,using the ones needed most on a game to game basis.
 
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