Gamethread: The jeffersons A Utah today last tiem we get to see him for the year/season

[CAKAR]

Yeah, but you have to have good depth too, and starting those 2 lets you put a better second team out there. If the Jazz started Kanter and Burks, and didn't have Jefferson and Williams, how atrocious would the second team be.

Maybe it´s good to have Veteren leadership to develop as a team ? It´s not that Jefferson and Marvin are playing like Millsap and AL and taking most of the positions in the game, they are the 6th and 5th Option on this team and their are doing their job solidely. It´s much better then having players like Watson or Jamaal on the team, who are getting significant minutes and are just producing like 2 ppg with 18 percent from the floor.

Burks is getting already good minutes the last 10-15 games, he could get more, but you can not complain that much about.I think that Kanter was not that bad tonight, he missed Burke wide open once, but he was passing well out of the post besides of that and he started rebounding and fighting like he did before again. His shot was not going in, but I think that when Kanter is trying that hard, then you have to play him more then ****ing 13 minutes.

 

[Fabtrey]

Why does Trey want to play with Gordon?
Are they friends?
Please explain.

unselfish player who is athletic and a team guy? why wouldn't he?

IMO gordon is a better & bigger AK47

 

[CAKAR]

It was a good DLeague game...that gap between nba games and euroleague games it shocking right now.

DRAFT-SYSTEM is killing the NBA, some Teams always trying to get a good draft pick to build around and are not really building teams trying to win. So the regular Season is losing lots of Quality, because of this teams. I like UTAH because they are virtuous and outmoded and are not going to lose for better picks like some other whores, so they give this league and Fans more quality and fight.

It´s just bad luck that Utah never won a Championchip. Maybe not just that, but it has nothing to do with drafting higher Picks.

 

[candrew]

Love watching Favors mature - in-between turnovers he's turning into a clutch player on both ends of the court.

 

[Fabtrey]

Love watching Favors mature - in-between turnovers he's turning into a clutch player on both ends of the court.

just wish trey and favors pick & roll takes off. favors fumbled an easy pass to day. if he caught that he may had a chance to throw it down

 

[Coach Ellis]

jazzfans are dump if they believe that JAZZ is winning because of Marvin and Jefferson both are scoring 10 points a game with combined like 45 % from the field. You are not winning NBA games with that. When I see people complaining about Marvin and Jefferson, that they are winning games then I start thinking that many guys here are ****ing Retarded. It´s not like their are like scoring combined 40 points per game, they are just playing their role solidly as 5th and 6th Option on this team.

This team is winning, because their is deep talent and every Player started playing much better as a team and producing better than at the start of the season.
Jefferson played the first 16 games of this season like **** and their was no Marvin or Burke on this team. Winning is not that bad as many people thinking, some guys should STFO.

It´s not Marvin and Jefferson winning these games, it´s much more of Burks, Hayward, Favors, Burke and even Kanter is producing not that bad.

It's not the points per game, it's the minutes per game. Jefferson played 40 and Marvin played 34 minutes tonight. They led the team in minutes played. Hayward played 28, Burks played 27, Kanter played 13, Evans played 13, Garret played 12 and Gobert was a DNP. If you take those 74 minutes from Marvin/Jefferson and distribute them to those 6 players mentioned, I wouldn't complain about the results at all.

I happen to think it is more valuable to use those minutes to give young players experience than to lean on veterans to lead this team to pointless wins over bad teams. Their box score is irrelevant compared to minutes distribution.

 

[candrew]

just wish trey and favors pick & roll takes off. favors fumbled an easy pass to day. if he caught that he may had a chance to throw it down

Yep - the P&R at the top of the key needs work. But Burke's P&R passes are Stocktonesque compared to Hayward's.

 

[doubledribble]

Burke didn't do anything verse a quality PG like Paul. Beating up Kemba isn't that great.

You mean, a rookie after a month of playing in the NBA is not holding his own against the best PG in the world? Yeah, a real disappointment.

 

[fishonjazz]

Why isn't Burks getting any playing time after that first half?

you've been corbinized

This.
Total bs how jeffy needs his 40 ****in minutes per

 

[sgjazzfan]

just wish trey and favors pick & roll takes off. favors fumbled an easy pass to day. if he caught that he may had a chance to throw it down

There was one toward the end of the game that looked pretty dang good. Favors barely missed the shot and I thought he was fouled. Those two will be fun to watch. Hopefully Favors can extend his shot out to 18 feet and try to get an offensive game similar to Lamarcus Alldridge (maybe not LA of this year, but that would be amazing)

 

[Fabtrey]

You mean, a rookie after a month of playing in the NBA is not holding his own against the best PG in the world? Yeah, a real disappointment.

and 12pts/6asts wasn't that bad. and it wasn't even about cp3's D. trey just kept turning the ball over last 2 games. hell he played much worse against the lakers.

so far trey played good(rookie standard) against

tony parker
mike conley
damien lillard
isaiah thomas
patrick beverly (good defensive pg)
kemba walker (he is playing pretty well this year)
ty lawson
goran dragic



i ain't gonna complain. 1 bad game against the best PG ain't gonna change the fact that trey is for real.

 

[framer]

You mean, a rookie after a month of playing in the NBA is not holding his own against the best PG in the world? Yeah, a real disappointment.

If you believe all of the ranking systems, Kemba Walker is a top 10 NBA point guard. If Trey is beating him up, that is *^&*&^ OUTSTANDING!

 

[CAKAR]

It's not the points per game, it's the minutes per game. Jefferson played 40 and Marvin played 34 minutes tonight. They led the team in minutes played. Hayward played 28, Burks played 27, Kanter played 13, Evans played 13, Garret played 12 and Gobert was a DNP. If you take those 74 minutes from Marvin/Jefferson and distribute them to those 6 players mentioned, I wouldn't complain about the results at all.

I happen to think it is more valuable to use those minutes to give young players experience than to lean on veterans to lead this team to pointless wins over bad teams. Their box score is irrelevant compared to minutes distribution.

Iam not about saying that they are playing the right amount of minutes, IAM just pointing out that the Jazz are not winning because of this two players, they are winning because their is true talent inside this team. In my mind everyone who is not seeing this is retarted. Marvin Williams or Jeffy are not players winning NBA games, Jeffy is not the same he was since 2008 and Marvin is nothing then a 5th Option on this team.

They could play less, I do not thing that this would make us worse. But, also I truly believe that some Veteran leadership is not that bad for this team, jes 40 and 34 is to much, but I think It´s not that bad to have solid role players like Jeffy and Marvin inside for 22 minutes per game.

 

[The Thriller]

Sigh

 

[Notes]

Trade Richard Jefferson. Blockhead Corbin can't help himself from playing this hack 40 minutes while the better, more talented and more efficient Alec Burks plays only 27.

I actually like Marvin and wouldn't mind seeing him around for a few more years for the right price. But if we can get anything good out of him now then trade away.

Hayward was awful again tonight. I'm beginning to think trading him might be the right move.

 

[Diamond77]

It has been frustrating to watch Corbin to put back the starters early in the 4th quarter to try to win the game at all costs.

 

[Stoked]

So I am confused. Do we want Corbin to tank and play the more inefficient less talented player (in this case jefferson over Burks) or not?

 

[sgjazzfan]

So I am confused. Do we want Corbin to tank and play the more inefficient less talented player (in this case jefferson over Burks) or not?

We want Burks to play 40 and the less efficient Harris to play 25. Jefferson is not a world beater, but he's not making the team worse.

 

[Stoked]

We want Burks to play 40 and the less efficient Harris to play 25. Jefferson is not a world beater, but he's not making the team worse.

He is making the team worse than Burks playing 40. I agree that Harris should be getting the time over Jefferson if tanking is the goal.

Favors/Gobert
Kanter/Biedrins
Hayward/Harris
Burks/Clark
Burke/Lucas

Each of those bench guys should be getting 20 mpg. Jefferson, Williams and Evans should be the odd men out. Sucks for Evans as I really like him. But he is not good enough to replace Favors or Kanter and not bad or new enough to compete with Biedrins and Gobert for the tank. No mans land.

 

[sgjazzfan]

He is making the team worse than Burks playing 40. I agree that Harris should be getting the time over Jefferson if tanking is the goal.

Favors/Gobert
Kanter/Biedrins
Hayward/Harris
Burks/Clark
Burke/Lucas

Each of those bench guys should be getting 20 mpg. Jefferson, Williams and Evans should be the odd men out. Sucks for Evans as I really like him. But he is not good enough to replace Favors or Kanter and not bad or new enough to compete with Biedrins and Gobert for the tank. No mans land.

I don't think that tanking needs to be the main goal even. I want the young players to get good experience. I want Burks to play against starters to see if he can make it as a starter, or if he is a 6th man. I'm OK with Hayward moving to SF (since he is playing like crap as a SG anyway). I want Kanter to have meaningful minutes. I want someone other than Jefferson shooting a 3 pointer in the last few minutes of the game. When Burke, burks, Hayward, Favors, Kanter make a big shot at least its exciting because they will be with the team in the future. When Jefferson does, it does nothing, other than make the pick worse for next year.