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Gay Marriage is GO...

again, a married same-sex couple was NOT eligible for the same tax benefits (and other legal status benefits) that were available to opposite-sex couples

all the ruling does is say that the legal benefits that are extended to couples of the opposite sex are extended to couples of the same sex - otherwise, it's the same thing
i get that.

my personal view is gov should stay out of mariage.


but if 3 people legitamtly love eachother why cant those 3 get married then. we dont choose who we fall in love with right :P.

anywhoo seems like a few polygamy cases are starting up now
 
Nathan Collier said he was inspired by the recent Supreme Court decision that made marriage equal. He said he was particularly struck by the words of dissenting Chief Justice John Roberts who claimed giving gay couples the right to marry, might inspire polygamy.

And so this week, Mr Collier and his two wives, Victoria and Christine, entered a courthouse in Billings, Montana, and sought an application to legalise the trio’s polygamous union.

“Right now we're waiting for an answer," Mr Collier told The Independent. “I have two wives because I love two women and I want my second wife to have the same legal rights and protection as my first.”

He added: "Most people are not us. I am not trying to define what marriage means for anybody else - I am trying to define what marriage means for us."
The practice of bigamy - holding multiple marriage licences - is outlawed in all 50 of the US states, Montana among them. But Mr Collier said he planned to sue if his application was denied.

Mr Collier said he was former Mormon who had been excommunicated for polygamy and now owned a refrigeration business in Billings.

He married his first wife, Victoria, 40, in 2000. The 46-year-old, who appeared in the reality TV show Sister Wives, held a religious ceremony to marry second wife, Christine, in 2007 but did not sign a marriage license to avoid bigamy charges.

His first wife, Victoria, said that she and her husband's second wife got along "like sisters".

We're like any family. There are good days and there are bad days," she said. "But there are more good days."

Asked how she felt when her husband took a second wife, she said: "How can you know who you are going to fall in love with? This is our destiny."

Yellowstone County clerk officials initially denied Mr Collier's application, then said they would consult with the county legal officer before giving him a final answer.

Yellowstone County chief civil litigator Kevin Gillen, told the Associated Press that he was reviewing Montana's bigamy laws and expected to send a formal response to Mr Collier by next week.

Mr Gillen said: “I think he deserves an answer.”
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Polygamous marriages among consenting adults should absolutely be legal. If a man and two women (mix and match sexes and numbers to suit your needs) then they should be able to.

No forced marriage or underage polygamy.
 
Polygamous marriages among consenting adults should absolutely be legal. If a man and two women (mix and match sexes and numbers to suit your needs) then they should be able to.

No forced marriage or underage polygamy.

Agreed.

One guy, three women would be ideal. Yep.
 
This may be great for your sexual desires but what are you going to do with the remaining 23 hours and 55 minutes?

Pssh. You obviously have not been married for 20+ years. There is way more than that in play.
 
In fact, I have been married for 25+ years and I cannot fathom having two additional wives. I love my wife to death but one is enough, thank you!
 
In fact, I have been married for 25+ years and I cannot fathom having two additional wives. I love my wife to death but one is enough, thank you!

To each their own. But if after 25 years you cannot see where someone might find this interesting in more ways than just sex I think either you get the most and best sex of anyone ever, or you have never really challenged your own assumptions.

Actually my wife and I have discussed this and it was her who brought the subject up that she would be open to, and even encourage, this kind of arrangement for many different reasons, including companionship, sharing of duties in running a family, extra income, downtime, etc.
 
Hate Wins: Oregon State Issues Gag Order Against Opposing Gay Marriage

In a sign of the overt fascism and religious persecution to come in the wake of a Left emboldened by the Supreme Court’s recent gay marriage ruling, a judge in Oregon has issued a gag order denying two Christian bakery owners from speaking out against same sex marriage.

“The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation,” [Administrative Law Judge Alan] Avakian wrote.

The gag order is meant to stop Aaron and Melissa Klein from publicly speaking out about their desire to not bake cakes for same sex weddings. The State’s order came after the Kleins were interviewed by the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins, and after the State fined the Kleins $135,000 for “emotional damages” incurred by a lesbian couple after the Kleins refused to bake their wedding cake.

That this kind of fascist oppression was always the endgame in the Left’s push for same sex marriage, was apparent to anyone familiar with the Left’s tactics.

The push for same sex marriage was always nothing more the Left’s sheep’s clothing in a crusade to destroy Christians and the Christian Church.

By adhering to the word of God, the Left will label Christians bigots and haters, and use the power of boycotts and the State to punish and silence us.

Now that gay marriage is the law of the land, the gay-pride flag will become the fascist banner under which any Church that doesn’t perform same sex marriages will be dismantled piece-by-piece. The tools used by the Gaystapo will include coordinated hate campaigns in the media, as well as political campaigns aimed at removing the Church’s tax exempt status.

Christians and conservatives who never believed this could happen are part of the problem.

1995: We don’t want marriage, just civil unions.

2005: Our marriage won’t affect your rights.

2014: Bake me a cake, or else.

2015: Your opinion against same sex marriage is illegal.

Moreover, it is not discrimination to not want to be forced by the State to participate in and profit from what Christians correctly see as the sacramentalization of sin, which is what a same sex marriage ceremony is. Christians believe our very soul is at stake.

Besides the State, the true bigoted oppressor here is the fascist lesbian couple demanding Christians be silenced by the State, but only after demanding the State force a small business owner into celebrating their marriage.

Oh, and happy Independence Day.
 
i know about that code. but seems like they wouldnt accept same rights with another name of mariage ;)


Yeah, for some reason there's just a certain amount of resistance to the idea of "separate but equal," probably because it doesn't typically end up being all that equal.
 
To each their own. But if after 25 years you cannot see where someone might find this interesting in more ways than just sex I think either you get the most and best sex of anyone ever, or you have never really challenged your own assumptions.

Actually my wife and I have discussed this and it was her who brought the subject up that she would be open to, and even encourage, this kind of arrangement for many different reasons, including companionship, sharing of duties in running a family, extra income, downtime, etc.
There would definitely be some advantages to it. Maybe my additional wife would know how to clean a house?
 
Right after the US won the World Cup one of the players ran to the stands and starting kissing and hugging her partner. There was about 4 seconds of silence as if there was an indecision as to whether or not to acknowledge the obvious. Now if she ran to her husband......

Anyway we still got a ways to go.
 
Right after the US won the World Cup one of the players ran to the stands and starting kissing and hugging her partner. There was about 4 seconds of silence as if there was an indecision as to whether or not to acknowledge the obvious. Now if she ran to her husband......

Anyway we still got a ways to go.

agree on still having a ways to go...
It didn't seem the hesitation was anywhere near 4 seconds, and it seemed to occur more in deciding what term to use to refer to her girlfriend more so than in acknowledging that she was sharing her joy with someone special to her

There would definitely be some advantages to it. Maybe my additional wife would know how to clean a house?

and maybe my additional husband would know how to take out the garbage!

So are any of you seriously advocating that polygamy be elevated to a legal status similar to a marriage between two people? Because I'm wondering what parameters you would consider reasonable.

For instance, if two people were married, and one of them wanted to add a third person to the marriage, would the other partner have to agree? And would all three be married to each of the others?

It doesn't seem that you should allow one of the spouses to have a second spouse if it would create an unequal relationship between the three spouses. And, if it is a situation with multiple women, do all the women in the marriage have full custody rights to a child that any of them gave birth to?

Or in the case of multiple men, is it presumed that both are the father of any children born during the marriage, again with full custody rights regardless of what any paternity test might show?

Just curious how you geniuses would work out all these issues.
 
Obviously there is a lot to be considered in this circumstance. I hadn't even thought of some of those.
 
agree on still having a ways to go...
It didn't seem the hesitation was anywhere near 4 seconds, and it seemed to occur more in deciding what term to use to refer to her girlfriend more so than in acknowledging that she was sharing her joy with someone special to her



and maybe my additional husband would know how to take out the garbage!

So are any of you seriously advocating that polygamy be elevated to a legal status similar to a marriage between two people? Because I'm wondering what parameters you would consider reasonable.

For instance, if two people were married, and one of them wanted to add a third person to the marriage, would the other partner have to agree? And would all three be married to each of the others?

It doesn't seem that you should allow one of the spouses to have a second spouse if it would create an unequal relationship between the three spouses. And, if it is a situation with multiple women, do all the women in the marriage have full custody rights to a child that any of them gave birth to?

Or in the case of multiple men, is it presumed that both are the father of any children born during the marriage, again with full custody rights regardless of what any paternity test might show?

Just curious how you geniuses would work out all these issues.

I am no genius, but I'll give it a whirl.

I have mentioned this issue tongue-in-cheek (or tongues in this case? =) more than once. I cannot fathom why this would not be allowed when we allow all other adults to enter into marriage arrangements. To me that is the top parameter: must be of legal age. It would not really be that hard to draft legislation governing this. Something like this:

1. All parties must be of legal age to marry in their state. No one under legal age will be allowed into a multiple-partner arrangement, regardless of parental consent. Since the Supreme Court has already set the precedent that marriage is a constitutional institution then the legal age for multiple partner marriages could be set at a fixed level regardless of state laws (say 21, just to be fully arbitrary).
2. Options should exist for one partner only to marry one other partner, or for all partners involved to marry each other, or a combination, as they determine best fits their individual circumstance. Would only need signatures on the marriage license of all "connected" parties that they agree with the arrangement. So I could picture a scenario like this:

* One group consists of a single male and 2 females.
* Another group consists of a single female and 2 males.
* The single male from the first group, and the single female from the second group want to get married. All parties from both groups agree.
* The marriage is carried out, and everyone involved signs off on it.

3. Mothers would be the defacto legal guardians of children born into such marriages. In relationships with one male and multiple females, the male is the defacto father of all children born in the arrangement (his name is on the birth certificate same as always). In other arrangements, fathers can claim paternity but it must be proven (paternity tests), no different than if a woman becomes pregnant and does not know who the father is. At that point the father can either be added to the birth certificate as the father at the birth of the child, or adopt the child if this occurs later. Current paternity laws would apply in the event of divorce - so if a woman leaves a relationship between say 3 men and 4 women, she can claim support from the father, same as if she were seeking support from a one night stand or something else.
4. Most issue that would arise would be in the case of divorce realistically. I see no reason why standard divorce statutes could not apply here given the above mentioned parameters. Marital assets can be ordered split by the number of participants, etc. and litigated just as it is now litigated. Not a lot different really.
 
Right after the US won the World Cup one of the players ran to the stands and starting kissing and hugging her partner. There was about 4 seconds of silence as if there was an indecision as to whether or not to acknowledge the obvious. Now if she ran to her husband......

Anyway we still got a ways to go.

people still need to know to cheer or not it is diffuicult

man thinks he is woman: cheer
white woman thinks she is balck : boo


**** that i would stay silent cus me myself dont like it. but its her freedom!


it means i cand isagree and not cheer it
 
agree on still having a ways to go...
It didn't seem the hesitation was anywhere near 4 seconds, and it seemed to occur more in deciding what term to use to refer to her girlfriend more so than in acknowledging that she was sharing her joy with someone special to her



and maybe my additional husband would know how to take out the garbage!

So are any of you seriously advocating that polygamy be elevated to a legal status similar to a marriage between two people? Because I'm wondering what parameters you would consider reasonable.

For instance, if two people were married, and one of them wanted to add a third person to the marriage, would the other partner have to agree? And would all three be married to each of the others?

It doesn't seem that you should allow one of the spouses to have a second spouse if it would create an unequal relationship between the three spouses. And, if it is a situation with multiple women, do all the women in the marriage have full custody rights to a child that any of them gave birth to?

Or in the case of multiple men, is it presumed that both are the father of any children born during the marriage, again with full custody rights regardless of what any paternity test might show?

Just curious how you geniuses would work out all these issues.

Imho the gov should get out of mariage but if htey are stubborn and stay into mariage. as long as all parties consent mariage should be legal

if tomorow 100 people come to courthouse that wanna have a intermarriage as long as all 100 consent :P.


as for custody how do they do it when 2 men adopt. in my traditional view the dad and mom ar the parents. they "owe" the children.

dont know how teh gays do it. so have not thought about the polies
 
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