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Very interesting. Science is awesome!
https://www.calgaryherald.com/news/...c+came+from+interbreeding/12564162/story.html
https://www.calgaryherald.com/news/...c+came+from+interbreeding/12564162/story.html
Genes that helped humans survive arctic came from interbreeding with extinct species.
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OK, took a quick spin down the article and the comments. Fun.
If the author's lavish explanation involving the Ice Age/Bering Strait land bridge migrations explains the gene frequency in Greenland's Baffin Bay Inuit is correct, how come they didn't check out the genetic marker, oh, say, in Chile's southern natives?
There's evidence of Ice Age migrations from France to New Jersy, too..... clearly Neanderthal genetics should be there, too.
How about the African migrations across the Atlantic to Brazil 30,000 years ago, and the Pacific deep sea fishing cultures around the Pacific Rim from 15000 years ago.
Ah science is awesome, our government orders European bones dated 7000 years ago reburied and not studied further because it embarrasses our scientific elites to revise their dogma.
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lol, are you serious? Your government is most religious government in the world, if they had any proof "of Gods hand" they would be all over the world taunting about it. Be serious. There is no evidence neither of European bones dated 7000 years ago nor Government conspiracy.
If anything science is the one who is constantly changing and updating due to new findings and discoveries, so had this claim be true nobody would have a problem revisiting any "dogmas".
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To my knowledge there is no proof of that. Would love to read some theories supporting your claim.
OK. A cat backhoe operator I was enlisting to help with work, said he was trained in the service, and was there to help rebury the skeleton. American Indian tribal dispute over sacred remains. The Norweigans claimed the man, too, after the DNA results were released. On the banks of the Columbia River in Washington State.
Kennewick Man, was his name.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/kennewick-man-finally-freed-share-his-secrets-180952462/
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In June 2015, scientists at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark determined through DNA from 8,500‑year-old bones that Kennewick Man is, in fact, related to contemporary Native Americans, including those from the region in which his bones were found. The international team of scientists had confirmed that finding to the Army Corps of Engineers as far back as 2013.
No conspiracy there. Science won as always. Bones should be rightfully returned to natives to rebury.
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-...sf/2015/01/first_dna_tests_say_kennewick.html
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Well it is a lie as skeleton remains in museum. Or you saying they buried the real skeleton and placed a fake one in museum?
I said what an Army Corps cat operator who was there told me.
Here is the ad for the book being released, touting it as the most scientific release on the Kennewick Man to date, with lots of scientists contributing:
(taken from the Smithsonian link cited above)
As for whether the remains were intact and exactly what all happened, the article cited states that the Army Corps completely destroyed the site, dumping fill material on the site enough to prevent anyone from determining cultural remains or whether there are any associated remains. The man was killed most likely by a stone age spear lodged in his hip or other wounds not preserved, so in fight.
this is decent map of early human migration. But bebe tries to "fix" it with hoaxes and myths.
My little rant above referred to the Atlantic Crossing and "Pacific Coastal Crossing" which I think might refer to the deep sea fishing cultural remains on coastal islands from Japan to California to Chile, date about 15000 years old, before the putative "land bridge" route opened up. . . .
I have read scientific peer-reviewed articles on the Brazil remains, the Atlantic coastal remains, and the Southwest inland cultures dated before 10,000 years ago. There is a cave near me that has been studied three times by archaeologists who have determined human inhabitation more than 10,000 years ago, and there are a number of sites around the "tub ring" of the ancient Lake Bonneville, both cave and shoreline remains, that contain flint traded from near Reno far into Utah via water commerce on the basin lake system.
Pretty sure a new generation of scientists will have a lot of little arrows all over your map.
Early America was a tough niche what with saber-toothed tigers and bears. The settlement sites we have are all strategically located with defensive advantages, like on islands or with cliffs and elevations easily defended. Except maybe for some of the very early California, Texas, and New Mexico sites.
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So you linked an article which was written before Denmark lab did its DNA analysis. Even in it there is nothing about European origin of bones. Are you ok?
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So it should not be difficult to find reputable link right?
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That is very likely. Earth map itself 2000 years ago looked very differently. Beauty of science is that it constantly adds new data to existing findings and theories. But up to date this is the best map there is based on fossils, DNA, archaeological and other scientific evidence.
Some of my information is what I read a few years ago. The skeletal remains were called European, the hair was red, like some wandering Viking or something. Who knows why that stuff was out there then. It's the webz. Intellectual quicksand compared to the old print media that didn't just evaporate overnight.
There are other DNA results that may show European contributions to the Algonquin tribal group as well, pre-Columbian as in 2500 years ago or so, in the Hopewell moundbuilding remains. I'd suppose from the Ice Age crossings. Well, then there's the legends of Vikings coming to America well ahead of Columbus, and if you read Louie L'Amour books there's all that prattle about extensive fishing off the American coast throughout the Middle Ages, virtually going to the settlement of Europe in the first place. Sailors carefully staying within sight of land, ya know, stuff like that, is pretty much landlubber lore. People have been doing boats for a long long time.
One scenario I haven't seen examined is the influx of Eurasian migrations overspreading existing, smaller tribal remnants from earlier times. It's always supposed that the Land Bridge hordes came into totally unoccupied territory.
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The skeletal remains were called European by white supremacist groups in 1998 - not by any reputable scientists.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/02/us/old-skull-gets-white-looks-stirring-dispute.html
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Well if you ( USA) respect all religions and customs then why not? Or all religions are equal but some are more equal then others?
Wut? The bones are eighty five hundred years old. Eighty five hundred.
Next I know you are gonna tell me we need to respect Shariah Law an Amazon tribes an other human rights violating religions. No, all religions should not be treated equal only the ones they respect basic human rights an do not throw fits over eighty five thousand year old bones cause they need attention.
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So? It is bones of their ancestors... so based on the treaty they should be given back.