GMOs

[Jazz Spazz]

Wait a daggum minute. You tellin me selective harvestin of pine trees is worse then forest fires that pump out tons of pollution an cause asma?

Just helping a Russian out.

*asthma
*dag gum

The rest is grammatically correct, your welcome.

 

[NAOS]

Let's spray something inimical to life all over a vital, life-giving substrate. And, since certain data (notably lacking any kind of long-term results from these novel encounters) shows no problems for humans, let's call it All Good. Eh?

 

[LogGrad98]

Just helping a Russian out.

*asthma
*dag gum

The rest is grammatically correct, your welcome.

I thought it was dad-gum. Hmm. We need a mid-20th century old farmer to help us out here. Where is babe when you need him?

 

[Gameface]

Let's spray something inimical to life all over a vital, life-giving substrate. And, since certain data (notably lacking any kind of long-term results from these novel encounters) shows no problems for humans, let's call it All Good. Eh?

I'm all for looking at these issues very critically and trying to find problems rather than explaining concerns away casually. But most of the anti-GMO people I've seen claim to know things that they cannot know. Therefore I'm generally dismissive of their POV.

 

[Boris]

Let's spray something inimical to life all over a vital, life-giving substrate. And, since certain data (notably lacking any kind of long-term results from these novel encounters) shows no problems for humans, let's call it All Good. Eh?

It is called EVOLUTION. We are a species other species don't matter unless they benefit us. Are you anti-evolution flat earthier er somethin?

 

[♪alt13]

Chronic toxicity was a different story, however. Glyphosate has a lower chronic toxicity than 90% of all herbicides in this analysis, but it falls much further from the median chronic toxicity value compared with acute toxicity (Fig. 2). In the last year of survey data for each crop, glyphosate made up 26% of maize, 43% of soybean, and 45% of cotton area-treatments, but only contributed 0.1%, 0.3% and 3.5% of the total chronic hazard quotients in those crops, respectively. So although the chronic hazard quotient increased in 2 of 3 glyphosate-resistant crops, if glyphosate were not used the chronic hazard quotient would almost certainly be even greater since other herbicides with greater chronic toxicity would have been used instead.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5394230/

 

[RandyForRubio]

There are studies out there on both sides, and both sides have some motivation to proceed the way they do.

I found this article (Dr. Michael Antoniou), and there are two links to their studies. I am curious what you think about this [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION].

The first quote, does this sound right that the GMO backed studies have not gone deep enough? The corn analysis study link goes more into this.

The second quote, does his answer to the GMO backed criticism of his study answer the criticism? I think the corn analysis study link also goes more into this topic.

I would like your insight into this as well as to see if his approach and practices were sound. TIA

Finally, will you look at the links to the 2 studies

http://non-gmoreport.com/articles/scientists-ground-breaking-research-uncovers-new-risks-gmos-glyphosate/




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Study links -
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep39328 Liver Toxicity - Roundup causality
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep37855 Corn analysis - NK603 GM maize v isogenic maize kernels

Interesting studies.

I disagree with his take on needing to study multiple varieties. There are a lot of differences between them. I just don't think he took enough into consideration there.

Just to clarify, I would prefer not to use chemicals on anything. They're dangerous (mostly to the applier aka me), they're expensive, and they're a pain. But...roundup is about as safe of a chemical that we have. And it works really, really well.

Were we to not use chemicals, we'd be overrun with weeds in 10 or so years. Trust me. Farmers are cheap, we don't wanna put this crap on.

So, am I scared about using it? No. And understand I'm at a way higher risk than any consumer is. I just haven't seen where it's doing any damage. I think the economical damage if we went away from them would be far, far worse.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Shoot, a chemical like Gramoxone kills way better than Roundup, and way faster.

It's also 100x more dangerous. The alternatives are much worse.

And putting roundup on the soil isn't going to hurt anything. What they're seeing is coming more from poor framing practices than roundup use.

 

[Boris]

Just helping a Russian out.

*asthma
*dag gum

The rest is grammatically correct, your welcome.

I'm American mate. I weren't born in Russia but my parents was. My daddy was military an fought active combat in two wars an I was a military brat in Australia for some time. Never could pick up the dialect it is hard.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Shoot, a chemical like Gramoxone kills way better than Roundup, and way faster.

It's also 100x more dangerous. The alternatives are much worse.

And putting roundup on the soil isn't going to hurt anything. What they're seeing is coming more from poor framing practices than roundup use.

Can you touch on the poor farming practices for someone like me that has no clue?

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Beez are good

Round up is not


screw gmos, I can see the asleep sheep

 

[RandyForRubio]

Can you touch on the poor farming practices for someone like me that has no clue?

Oh man. That's a huge question.

I'm combining right now, I'll get back to you later tonight when I'm done.

 

[♪alt13]

Srsly ppl! You want to feel smart? Get to work on creating a less hazardous, more efficient, more environmentally friendly way to feed the planet. oh wait that's what genetic engineers are working on.

 

[Boris]

Can you touch on the poor farming practices for someone like me that has no clue?

See, the dadgum first think ya wanna do is preserve yer soil. Top soil is everthink in farmin. Ya seen them tree lines protecting a orchard? Well they don't work for farmin as good cause the nutrient rich clods formin in the top soil git broken up when ya till. So what good is it protectin from wind when yer destroying yer soil to begin with?

Good farmers use new no till farmin techniques. I work with a farmer that also uses drip irrigation in some his fields. Says he can put fertilizer an pesticides an everthink right in the water an saves him thousands ever year on over application an it is more affective to boot! Spensive ta install but worth it if ya kin ford it.

Other think bout drip irrigation is ya don't waste so much money on diesel fuel pumpin yer water outa tha well. People don't realize how much money that fuel bill costs a farmer there is a reason they have those huge fuel tanks an buy it in bulk.