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Go get Baynes

infection said:
As HH said, the salaries don't work. But the salaries that DO work is Davis, Bradley, and NWG for Ariza. Then go sign Noah or Bogut.

Conley
Mitchell
Ingles
Bojan
Gobert

Clarkson
Royce
Ariza
Bogut/Noah
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I have watched a lot of Kong’s this year... Ariza is toast... washed... no thanks.
 
There is a chance we could land Baynes but it isn’t until right at the deadline and Phoenix needs to be out of it for the 8 seed. They might go the other way by adding vet talent because they really want to show progress.
 
infection said:
No idea. How does he compare to Niang? And who are our bench upgrades this year?
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He’s worse imo... but Niang is my best friend so I can’t evaluate without bias.

Ariza has looked bad on defense... he looks out of shape and disinterested... I havent looked at his shooting percentages but I’m guessing they are bad. I would have had interest preseason and now have zero interest... cashing checks of off reputation at this point.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I have watched a lot of Kong’s this year... Ariza is toast... washed... no thanks.
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As our resident Kings watcher, where do you stand on the Harry Giles debate? It seems almost a lock that he won't be with the Kings next year. Do you think he'll be physically able to hold up in the future? Is he worth looking at for FA in the summer, or even a trade before the deadline?
 
idiot said:
As our resident Kings watcher, where do you stand on the Harry Giles debate? It seems almost a lock that he won't be with the Kings next year. Do you think he'll be physically able to hold up in the future? Is he worth looking at for FA in the summer, or even a trade before the deadline?
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I think he's broken. He was okay when he was on the floor last year, but nothing special... I honestly haven't seen him at all this year. He was really aggressive defensively which is good and bad... can't foul that much and be that predictable... chasing every block is one of the things that makes Whiteside a below average defender.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he's broken. He was okay when he was on the floor last year, but nothing special... I honestly haven't seen him at all this year. He was really aggressive defensively which is good and bad... can't foul that much and be that predictable... chasing every block is one of the things that makes Whiteside a below average defender.
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Thanks. It sounds like there's a very good chance he's broken from what I've read, as well. The idea of him sounds good for the Jazz, with decent athleticism, some scoring potential, a good motor, and a well-above-average passing game. But his fouling is as bad as Bradley or (what I imagine, based on the G-League) Morgan. He'd probably have to be given a lot of time before he ever becomes an actual plus-player. And given his knees, that's just unlikely to work out.
 
idiot said:
Thanks. It sounds like there's a very good chance he's broken from what I've read, as well. The idea of him sounds good for the Jazz, with decent athleticism, some scoring potential, a good motor, and a well-above-average passing game. But his fouling is as bad as Bradley or (what I imagine, based on the G-League) Morgan. He'd probably have to be given a lot of time before he ever becomes an actual plus-player. And given his knees, that's just unlikely to work out.
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They didn't pick up his option for next year, so I'm sure he's super available if we wanted to go get him. He'd make more sense as a prospect big man than Bradley does imo. He's had some good moments... I think we need more of a sure thing, but if they wanted to swap Bradley for him I'd do that.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There is a chance we could land Baynes but it isn’t until right at the deadline and Phoenix needs to be out of it for the 8 seed. They might go the other way by adding vet talent because they really want to show progress.
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I think this is dead-on. In my mind, you put Baynes on the back burner while pursuing a different answer for a decent NBA big in the meantime, and if nothing materializes by the deadline and the Suns are indeed obviously out of it, go after Baynes hard.

A pick-and-pop big would be really great to have, though. Seriously game-changing, especially for Conley and especially if Conley inherits the nominal starter and backup PG role.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think this is dead-on. In my mind, you put Baynes on the back burner while pursuing a different answer for a decent NBA big in the meantime, and if nothing materializes by the deadline and the Suns are indeed obviously out of it, go after Baynes hard.
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Like you start making weekly or twice weekly calls to say hey now... and then put a big push at the deadline... you also ask whats up with Saric too... Do they want to pay him? Maybe they'd like a Mudiay for Jevon Carter swap...

I don't think we have anything particularly appealing to them, but I keep checking in cuz they have some nice parts and they are Phoenix... Phoenix does weird things.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Like you start making weekly or twice weekly calls to say hey now... and then put a big push at the deadline... you also ask whats up with Saric too... Do they want to pay him? Maybe they'd like a Mudiay for Jevon Carter swap...

I don't think we have anything particularly appealing to them, but I keep checking in cuz they have some nice parts and they are Phoenix... Phoenix does weird things.
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If DL is as serious about his approach and craft as claimed, then he'd be doing all the leg work now. He'd realize the quickest way to Vlade's heart is through his lungs, and DL would be having bi-weekly smoke breaks with him, even if only over facetime. If DL doesn't smoke, now's the time to pick it up.
 
infection said:
If DL is as serious about his approach and craft as claimed, then he'd be doing all the leg work now. He'd realize the quickest way to Vlade's heart is through his lungs, and DL would be having bi-weekly smoke breaks with him, even if only over facetime. If DL doesn't smoke, now's the time to pick it up.
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For who, though? If you're about to say Bjelica, you're speaking my language.
 
NUMBERICA said:
For who, though? If you're about to say Bjelica, you're speaking my language.
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It was more a hypothetical of if DL wants to wheel-and-deal with Sacramento, he needs to show his GMing prowess by lighting up with Vlad. But I'm all for Bjelica. Huge upgrade to Niang.
 
Ed Davis and NWG for Bjelica. Then sign a center.
 
NWG, Mudiay, and NWG for Bjelica. That's three young prospects for one guy over 30. I'd imagine we could make Davis look a lot better when he's playing with Clarkson, Bjelica +/- one of Conley, Mitchell, and/or Bogdanovic.
 
Bjelica - a player the Jazz could've easily signed two years ago for pennies - is having a career year in Sacramento. That being said, their front office is a disaster and I don't know what they're doing.

And I would just play him as the backup 5 until or unless something obviously superior came along. In this hypothetical scenario, obviously.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Bjelica - a player the Jazz could've easily signed two years ago for pennies - is having a career year in Sacramento. That being said, their front office is a disaster and I don't know what they're doing.

And I would just play him as the backup 5 until or unless something obviously superior came along. In this hypothetical scenario, obviously.
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I think he'd be awesome as a 4/5. The defense would suck while he's at the 5 but the offense would be so good I'm not sure it'd matter.
 
infection said:
NWG, Mudiay, and NWG for Bjelica. That's three young prospects for one guy over 30. I'd imagine we could make Davis look a lot better when he's playing with Clarkson, Bjelica +/- one of Conley, Mitchell, and/or Bogdanovic.
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Wait we double trade NWG... genius!

I kid... Sacramento does weird things... they have like 5 centers and one franchise prospect that should be a center. Not enough minutes to keep everyone happy.
 
Noah Vonleh is another option I'd consider. He makes $2M so salary matching is easy. They might even do a straight swap of Bradley for Vonleh. It'd be nice to see if we could play Tony and see if he is useable or if we can inflate his trade value to the point we could do something like this.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Wait we double trade NWG... genius!

I kid... Sacramento does weird things... they have like 5 centers and one franchise prospect that should be a center. Not enough minutes to keep everyone happy.
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Supposed to be Bradley but I’d also double trade NWG if that’s what it took.
 
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