Go GET Teague

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So you're willing to bet on Exum's full recovery, projected talent and improvement over moving very tradable, non-core assets over a prime, veteran, former allstar PG?

That, my friends, is treadmill mentality. If you can get 1.5 yrs of Teague for Burke/Book,Tibor, CJ, Ingles, etc/picks you do it and don't look back. There's a reason everyone and their mother knows our biggest weakness is PG. If Exum's injury affects his current game at all, he won't be a starter and we're back to looking for a starter quality PG. He's worth it as insurance period. If Exum is done then we have Teague to re-up. If Exum succeeds, then we move Teague hopefully before he hits FA.

This deal would be a bird-in-hand IMO and you do it and don't look back. If they require Burks/Hood you hang up.

First. It's not like Exum is 35 years of age, or even 25. I think there is a more significant chance he fully recovers from the injury. I believe in Exum because of his makeup and work ethic, and those things will only get better with age.

Then there are his physical attributes, and natural defensive ability, both which will only improve over the next two years and see him as a guy that can grow into a leadership role with this team. Not happening with Teague around.

I see him developing into a Kidd/Devin Harris hybrid type player. I loved everything about this kids potential as a rookie. I see him having elite level Harris type slashing skills and getting to the ft line a ton while being a Kidd type floor general. We saw these things in that SL game and to a lesser extent on his national team.

If u have a guy with that potential as young as Exum, even with the injury u have to take that risk regardless of the injury and develop his physical and mental skills as fast as u can already behind thanks to the injury.

Also LOL at Booker and Burke getting Teague here. Holy hell!! Are we that dumb and idiotic to think Atlanta will be that enamored with a package of Burke, a downgrade at pg, and an off the bench energy guy in Booker?? And a late draft pick that if Durant and Westbrook stay in OKC will be a late pick, and if they jump ship will end up being two second round picks most likely. Right...

In order to get Teague we need to risk our future, not only with Exum but in parting with our own pick this year or next and rather Hood, or Burke and Burks with our own pick. **** that!! Let's develop some common sense!! I can't be the only one with any.

Open your eyes and stop looking through Jazz colored glasses.


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[BTP]

So you're willing to bet on Exum's full recovery, projected talent and improvement over moving very tradable, non-core assets over a prime, veteran, former allstar PG?

That, my friends, is treadmill mentality. If you can get 1.5 yrs of Teague for Burke/Book,Tibor, CJ, Ingles, etc/picks you do it and don't look back. There's a reason everyone and their mother knows our biggest weakness is PG. If Exum's injury affects his current game at all, he won't be a starter and we're back to looking for a starter quality PG. He's worth it as insurance period. If Exum is done then we have Teague to re-up. If Exum succeeds, then we move Teague hopefully before he hits FA.

This deal would be a bird-in-hand IMO and you do it and don't look back. If they require Burks/Hood you hang up.

I like ppl who write off 20 year old players with an improving game and injury setbacks. They're guaranteed to look stupid way too often.
Whenever I watch the younger players communicate with Booker, he seems like a good glue guy. His energy and attitude seems to be something the others strive for.
I think his removal could mean a bigger loss than just his boxscore contributions. At some point someone else has to be the veteran who leads, and hopefully that will be at a point where his contract is considered an asset. I'm just not sure I'd move him in a deal that is even slightly unfavorable on paper.

edit: I'm reading that his contract is expiring this summer. If that's true I'd actually do that. But then there're even less reasons for Atlanta to trade for him. I somehow remembered that Trevor had a multi year contract and the Jazz held a team options around $5.5M for him.

 

[Coach Ellis]

So you're willing to bet on Exum's full recovery, projected talent and improvement over moving very tradable, non-core assets over a prime, veteran, former allstar PG?

That, my friends, is treadmill mentality. If you can get 1.5 yrs of Teague for Burke/Book,Tibor, CJ, Ingles, etc/picks you do it and don't look back. There's a reason everyone and their mother knows our biggest weakness is PG. If Exum's injury affects his current game at all, he won't be a starter and we're back to looking for a starter quality PG. He's worth it as insurance period. If Exum is done then we have Teague to re-up. If Exum succeeds, then we move Teague hopefully before he hits FA.

This deal would be a bird-in-hand IMO and you do it and don't look back. If they require Burks/Hood you hang up.

This ^^^

Adding Teague doesn't force the Jazz to give up on Exum, but it does provide stability for two seasons and insurance in case Dante struggles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

An Exum Teague tandom would work well on court. Teague can focus on attacking and Exum doesn't have to force things... I don't understand how acquiring Teague affects Exum long term at all. Dude will need some time to get his legs back and it isn't like he has a mentality like this is my team and I need the ball.

It would give is lineup flexibility like favors offers because he plays PF and center. Anyone who says they know what Dante is is guessing. He had the weirdest rookie season ever.

 

[Stifle Tower]

First. It's not like Exum is 35 years of age, or even 25. I think there is a more significant chance he fully recovers from the injury. I believe in Exum because of his makeup and work ethic, and those things will only get better with age.

Then there are his physical attributes, and natural defensive ability, both which will only improve over the next two years and see him as a guy that can grow into a leadership role with this team. Not happening with Teague around.

I see him developing into a Kidd/Devin Harris hybrid type player. I loved everything about this kids potential as a rookie. I see him having elite level Harris type slashing skills and getting to the ft line a ton while being a Kidd type floor general. We saw these things in that SL game and to a lesser extent on his national team.

If u have a guy with that potential as young as Exum, even with the injury u have to take that risk regardless of the injury and develop his physical and mental skills as fast as u can already behind thanks to the injury.

Also LOL at Booker and Burke getting Teague here. Holy hell!! Are we that dumb and idiotic to think Atlanta will be that enamored with a package of Burke, a downgrade at pg, and an off the bench energy guy in Booker?? And a late draft pick that if Durant and Westbrook stay in OKC will be a late pick, and if they jump ship will end up being two second round picks most likely. Right...

In order to get Teague we need to risk our future, not only with Exum but in parting with our own pick this year or next and rather Hood, or Burke and Burks with our own pick. **** that!! Let's develop some common sense!! I can't be the only one with any.

Open your eyes and stop looking through Jazz colored glasses.


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So Stockton could only develop by starting? Look again; he played behind a former all-star for 3 years before taking over. I might be wrong, but I think he developed into a pretty good PG and leader. And that was AFTER playing college ball. Exum didn't even have a year of that. He was just shooting around and working out on his own for one year, which is alarming - all those reps should have given him better touch his rookie season.

Atlanta may/may not go for Burke + picks. If you've done any reading at all, you know Teague wants out, It's not as public as the Kanter situation, but it's nearly to that point. What did DL accept for Enes? He didn't even get a quality player in return. Burke would be a very attractive asset for them. He's willing to come off the bench, allowing Schroeder to start. He's also a low-end starter if Schroeder struggles. And he'll be a RFA if Atlanta chooses to keep him as a 6th man. No, Atlanta doesn't have to trade Teague now. He's not expiring. But they'd likely only get a 2nd-round pick if they wait until next season. And they run the risk of locker room problems not only with Teague, but also from Schroeder, who is pushing to start.

The Jazz aren't giving up Hood; that would be silly. But you also can't tell me Exum won't take time to recover from his injury. Look at every other player who has come back from an ACL. They're not at full strength/skill level after just one year. And you REFUSE to acknowledge how bad Exum was offensively last season. He was a placeholder on the court - worse than Neto. Sure, he was good defensively. But he may NEVER have all the quickness he had before the injury, So we'll be seeing a player who will likely be somewhat worse defensively and HOPING he's improved his shooting and penetrating, What if he hasn't? He also averaged 22 mins last season. He could average the same and that STILL leaves room for a PG like Teague to get 26 mins,

If Exum comes back 100% AND can shoot and drive,,,FANTASTIC! We're in great shape. And if that pushes someone like Teague to the bench, even BETTER! Exum/Teague or Teague/Exum is a HUGE upgrade over Neto/Exum or Exum/Burke or however Quin has to play those three. And Teague/Neto pushes Utah into the playoffs THIS year. To do NOTHING just alienates Hayward.

If Atlanta insists on Hood, no, DL walks away, But that's just posturing, Atlanta knows Utah isn't going to give up Hood (or Burks). They're just trying to get more picks or hope they can get another team to offer more.

 

[Coach Ellis]

The goal in team-building should always be to upgrade wherever possible.

IMO - Teague > Burke and Lyles > Booker. It doesn't affect Dante's place on the team, or his role moving forward. This team has assets available and should use them to upgrade the roster when possible. This looks like one of those moments - as long as the asking price doesn't include Burks/Hood. Booker and Burke don't have a future on this team. They should get something for them if there's an opportunity.

 

[Miggs]

He'd obviously be an individual upgrade at the point guard position but does anyone have a concern that Teague is too ball dominant? I'm not saying he is, I haven't watched enough of the Hawks to know. But I worry he would mess up our chemistry and ball movement a little. Is that a legit concern?

 

[Stoked]

He'd obviously be an individual upgrade at the point guard position but does anyone have a concern that Teague is too ball dominant. I'm not saying he is, I haven't watched enough of the Hawks to know. But I worry he would mess up our chemistry and ball movement a little. Is that a legit concern?

I think chemistry should be a concern any time you make a trade. As for ball handling I also agree but does that apply to Teague? I don't know either.

 

[My2Cents]

The goal in team-building should always be to upgrade wherever possible.

IMO - Teague > Burke and Lyles > Booker.

Wonder how good Lyles will be in 2 years after Teague is probably long gone.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The goal in team-building should always be to upgrade wherever possible.

IMO - Teague > Burke and Lyles > Booker. It doesn't affect Dante's place on the team, or his role moving forward. This team has assets available and should use them to upgrade the roster when possible. This looks like one of those moments - as long as the asking price doesn't include Burks/Hood. Booker and Burke don't have a future on this team. They should get something for them if there's an opportunity.

Would you do Burke, Lyles, and a pick? The Jazz will get outbid on just Burke + pick.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So Stockton could only develop by starting? Look again, He played behind a former all-star for 3 years before taking over. Atlanta may/may not go for Burke + assets. If you've done any reading at all, you know Teague wants out, It's not as public as the Kanter situation, but it's nearly to that point. What did DL accept for Enes. He didn't even get a quality player in return. Burke would be a very attractive asset for them. He's willing to come off the bench, allowing Schroeder to start. He's also a low-end starter if Schroeder struggles. He'll be a RFA if Atlanta chooses to keep him as a 6th man.

The Jazz aren't giving up Hood; that would be silly. But you also can't tell me Exum won't take time to recover from his injury. Look at every other player who has come back from an ACL. They're not at full strength/skill level after just one year. AND you REFUSE to see how bad Exum was offensively last season. He was a placeholder on the court - worse than Neto. Sure, he was good defensively. But he may NEVER have all the quickness he had before the injury, So we'll be seeing a player who will likely be somewhat worse defensively and HOPING he's improved his shopoting and penetrating, What if he hasn't? He also averaged 22 mins last season. He could average the same and that STILL leaves room for a PG like Teague to get 26 mins,

If Exum comes back 100% AND can shoot and drive,,,FANTASTIC! We're in great shape. And if that pushes someone like Teague to the bench, even BETTER! Exum/Teague or Teague/Exum is a HUGE upgrade over Neto/Exum or Exum/Burke or however Quin has to play those three. And Teague/Neto pushes Utah into the playoffs. To do NOTHING just alienates Hayward.

If ATlanta insists on Hood, no, DL walks away, But that's just posturing, Atlanta knows Utah isn't going to give up Hood (or Burks). They're just trying to get more picks or hope they can get another team to offer more.

Well, if this was 21 years ago, when it was easier to keep players and teams together then I'd agree with Exum coming off the bench, but no such luxury exists these days, contracts are shorter and building Windows for teams are shorter. We can't afford to let him take the appropriate time to sit on the bench and learn.

Also comparing Kanter and Teague... Teague is a former allstar and respected player at the nba's most important position. Kanter is still young and a bit of an unknown, though he is known for being the worst defensive big. Atlanta may have to give up value for Teague. He is more valuable this year and more sought after then Kanter last year.


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[Coach Ellis]

Wonder how good Lyles will be in 2 years after Teague is probably long gone.

I was suggesting trading Booker, Burke and picks for Teague. Not Lyles. Lyles replaces Booker in the rotation, hence, making Booker more expendable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think chemistry should be a concern any time you make a trade. As for ball handling I also agree but does that apply to Teague? I don't know either.

I started watching them since the rumors... He moves the ball... Their offense is predicated on ball movement. I think he could get much bigger number on a team that let him dominate the ball more.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Would you do Burke, Lyles, and a pick? The Jazz will get outbid on just Burke + pick.

No, I wouldn't trade Lyles. The quality of the picks/protections is where you outbid other teams.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Exum's floor is a solid starter. His ceiling is really high. I'm not worried about his recovery from injury, he will be fine physically. Those who call him timid are wrong. Timid players aren't great defenders their rookie year. He wisely deferred to better players on offense to put his team in winning situations. His offense is improved and he will do more and more as he is confident in different parts of his game.

Our current teams hope is resting on Exum. We are a playoff team without him. Our championship hopes rely on him being really good. Otherwise we might have to retool.

That said adding Teague or another PG will not hurt him and will help the team. I would be shocked if Burke and Booker landed him but if it did, great! If it doesn't, he is not worth giving up any other decent players for. We can improve our bench in FA this year or other trades. The front office needs to go for it to start next season. We have to stop at asset acquiring and start building to win next season. But I think that was always their plan.

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[karl malone]

I love Exum's long-term potential & still view him as our PG of the future, but there is no way I would be willing to bet our ability to retain Hayward on Exum returning at 100% next year. Depending on the cost, Teague is a near perfect fit as he would help the team this year & next year on a bargain contract while not disrupting the long-term development of Exum. The more I think about it, the less I would be willing to give Burks up for Teague, but if Burke+Booker+1st gets it done (which I'm not sure it does) it would allow us to compete during the span of Hayward's contract while providing insurance in the event that Exum experiences a setback. It would also allow us to ease Exum back from his injury.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I was suggesting trading Booker, Burke and picks for Teague. Not Lyles. Lyles replaces Booker in the rotation, hence, making Booker more expendable.

We would lose so much with Booker though. The energy he brings to the team is unmatched. I know we probably wont bring him back next year, but Ill miss him if traded.

 

[The Midnight]

Getting Teague does not equate giving up on Exum. It means we have somebody who could help us win NOW and next year. He is a stopgap + an insurance policy.


ACL injuries take about 1-2 years for the player to come back fully healthy and playing at top level, Exum will need next year and the year after for that. Teague's contract will fit in nicely.


I think we at least owe it to Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood to get Teague and make a run at the playoffs this year and next while they are on the rise/peaking.

 

[Coach Ellis]

We would lose so much with Booker though. The energy he brings to the team is unmatched. I know we probably wont bring him back next year, but Ill miss him if traded.

I don't disagree at all. Love Booker - his attitude, hustle and energy. I'd be sad to see that element of his game leave, but I'm just not sure how they can justify bringing him back at what he'll likely cost. If adding him to the trade makes it happen more easily, I'd do it. It's a basketball decision for the long-term interests of the whole team.

No matter what, we'll always have this. . .

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[prodigy]

Would you do Burke, Lyles, and a pick? The Jazz will get outbid on just Burke + pick.

I would do it because Lyles will be a defensive liability like Kanter. If you want to build a strong defensive team you can't have weak links.

Shame we missed out on Myles Turner because of a freaking coin flip.