Gobert should start

[dipship31]

I'm not sure when Kanter is due back, but if these performances keep up Quin will really have to put a stamp on this team and say he's flat out starting whoever is better regardless of tenure. Don't go all Ty and put Kanter back in the starting line-up because that's what the starting line-up was intended to be.

 

[bigmike]

I'm not sure when Kanter is due back, but if these performances keep up Quin will really have to put a stamp on this team and say he's flat out starting whoever is better regardless of tenure. Don't go all Ty and put Kanter back in the starting line-up because that's what the starting line-up was intended to be.

Yep. And I don't think that will be an issue. I think this season was very much about letting the young guys earn their stripes and sort out who was the future. Kanter will be a serviceable big for years to come, but my $ is that it's somewhere else. Gobert + Favors is the future here. Gobert's length/athleticism is otherworldly. Can't wait to see this cat in 5 years.

 

[gregbroncs]

Yep. And I don't think that will be an issue. I think this season was very much about letting the young guys earn their stripes and sort out who was the future. Kanter will be a serviceable big for years to come, but my $ is that it's somewhere else. Gobert + Favors is the future here. Gobert's length/athleticism is otherworldly. Can't wait to see this cat in 5 years.

Would it shock anybody if Kanter is moved before the trade deadline? It wouldn't me. I think he's a decent player but I'm just not sure where he fits on this team now and I'm not sure he'll accept the bench. Gobert needs to start and Favors is still far better than Kanter.

 

[b_line]

Would it shock anybody if Kanter is moved before the trade deadline? It wouldn't me. I think he's a decent player but I'm just not sure where he fits on this team now and I'm not sure he'll accept the bench. Gobert needs to start and Favors is still far better than Kanter.

I would not be surprised at all if he is gone before the deadline. The Jazz radio guys keep saying that kanter and trey seem to be on the way out.

 

[vegas]

Month 	GP 	MIN 	 FGM 	FGA 	FG%  	FTM 	FTA 	FT%	  OREB	DREB	REB 	AST 	TOV 	STL 	BLK 	PF	PTS 	+/-
October    2     16.3 	1.5 	2.0 	75.0 	0.5 	0.5 	100 	 3.0 	2.5 	5.5 	0.5 	2.0 	0.5 	0.0 	2.5	3.5 	-11.5
November  15 	15.8 	1.8 	3.0 	60.0 	1.3 	1.9 	69.0 	1.5 	3.1 	4.6 	0.5 	0.9 	0.5 	1.7 	1.5	4.9 	-0.3
December  15 	21.7 	2.7 	4.3 	62.5 	1.3 	1.9 	65.5 	3.3 	5.1 	8.3 	1.1 	1.0 	0.5 	2.0 	2.3	6.6 	-1.1
January    4     30.2 	4.3 	5.8 	73.9 	3.0 	5.0 	60.0 	3.0 	6.0 	9.0 	0.5 	1.5 	0.8 	4.5 	2.5	11.5 	10.8

Gobert stats by month. Per 36 shows good progress as well.

Jan per 36:
10.7 reb, .9 stl, 5.4 blk, 13.7 pts

 

[BYE]

If 22pts-8reb on 13 shots in 27 minutes vs 11pts-4reb in 29 minutes ain't schooling then I don't know what is. Hibbert ate Gobert's breakfast and then some. Hibbert is 20th in the league in scoring among centers, just ahead of Kelly Olynik and Tyson Chandler with whopping 11.6 pts per game.

Not sure if you've watched a lot of the games this year, since your statement above suggests not. Hibbert played extremely well both last game and the first game we played them. He hit some difficult shots and had a great game. Rudy played great D on him for the most part, although Rudy needed to not let Hibbert get as good of position as he did at times. Hibbert scored the ball 8 times. He went 5/9 on Rudy (long jump shot, dunk off of a good pass, Al Jefferson hook shot from the free throw line, running hook, amazing hook shot with Rudy on his lap) and 3/4 on Favors (jumpshot, hook shot in the paint, hook shot from the block). Missed Shots with Rudy: Missed a jumper, missed hook, missed hook, contested jumper; Favors: sweeping hook (blocked). Your statement about Rudy is thus hyperbole. This was simply a learning moment for Rudy and a good game for Hibbert.

 

[BYE]

Gobert stats by month. Per 36 shows good progress as well.

Jan per 36:
10.7 reb, .9 stl, 5.4 blk, 13.7 pts

I like that his offense seems to be getting better as well. His passing has been very good even though players haven't always converted on them. He's floundered a little with his moves, but he needs to try 2-4 moves per game to develop his offensive game I think.

 

[NAOS]

I just finished watching the Chicago game, and this seals it. Rudy should start. I'll be pissed if he doesn't remain a starter. Whoever started this thread months ago was a sage.

 

[One Brow]

So tell me again how he's average? Thanks.

I'd also like to point out my boy Jusuf Nurkic has been putting up 11/7/3 in 19 mpg for his last 5 games. Stud.

https://www.82games.com/1415/14UTA15.HTM

Scroll down to Opponent Counterpart and Net Production. Favor's counterparts also do well against him. However, his differential has improved significantly in the last couple of games (Monday they were something like 0.4 and 1.5, IIRC), which does raise him from basically average to above average.

 

[One Brow]

Mark Eaton wasn't really all that great was he? He didn't even play on the offensive end right?

He seemed to gather a decent number of offensive rebounds, but his primary role was to stay outside the 3-point line to draw out a defender and then crash to the hole when the defender was pulled away, IIRC.

 

[NAOS]

https://www.82games.com/1415/14UTA15.HTM

Scroll down to Opponent Counterpart and Net Production. Favor's counterparts also do well against him. However, his differential has improved significantly in the last couple of games (Monday they were something like 0.4 and 1.5, IIRC), which does raise him from basically average to above average.

Gobert's impact, tbh.

Favors is definitely above average, though. But, yeah, if you're watching the games, then you can't understate the impact that Rudy is having on defense.... statisticians will find these effects in the performance of every jazzman.

#! Rudy fan

 

[One Brow]

One_Brow is suspiciously absent.

As opposed to the usual large number of posts I make in this forum?

 

[b_line]

I just finished watching the Chicago game, and this seals it. Rudy should start. I'll be pissed if he doesn't remain a starter. Whoever started this thread months ago was a sage.

That was out dumb friend hugefix. Wish you could have known him, but you were mysteriously absent the whole time he was here. He even tried to wrestle a trout. It was awesome.


May he rip in peace.

 

[bezerkus]

Ever since the first time I saw Gobert play last year, I've patiently (see feb post last year) for Jazz management to see that the more he played the better we got. I didn't care if he couldn't make a shot. I still remember Eaton being placed up at half court on every possession just to draw the illegal defense and that took us to the Western Conference Finals. Riley said it best, the talk was what to do about Eaton. Not Stockton or Malone. We didn't get better for years without that kind of force in the center. It wasn't until another long arm (Ostertag) came along after Eaton went past his prime that we got to the finals, along with the consistent play of Stockton and Malone.
Oscar Robertson got no where until paired with the defense of Alcindor. Celtics without Russell. Lakers without Wilt and then Kareem and then Shaq. Pistons without Laimbeer (used dirt to cover lack of talent along with another bruiser)
Favors is great and getting better but he's not at his best at 5...it's 4. It's not just the blocked shots by Rudy. Then the altered shots cause he goes for it without fouling and all the teams know he's going for it. It's not just using his size and length to only stand straight up but knowing when to. Then the knowing where to be on the rebound after the altered shot. Never in all my years watching have I enjoyed watching a center play D more and seeing even his potential offensively.
We need to start fast and early and discourage them from Quarter 1 to keep the other team's confidence down.
If we have already given up on this year being playoff bound and this is more about General Management and next year winning, then I understand starting Kanter. But I believe we can beat them all (we have at least once)when we are shooting well and with Gobert and Favors on the other side. We play 600+ basketball the rest of the way and one or two others falter a bit, we make the 8th seed. Pipe dream? Maybe. But if I knew Kanter wasn't starting the rest of the way out and Gobert and Favors were healthy and getting the minutes, I'd put my kid's allowance up to win 6 figures.
I'll stay on the Gobert bandwagon...only because I believe history is repeating itself.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rudy is the linchpin that gives this team an actual identity. Him, Favors, and Hayward need to be on the floor as much as possible... we need to know what that looks like. Kanter's contract situation this year and maybe next (could see him signing for the QO) make him hard to trade for a lot of value. If I can get value for him and I'm the Jazz I do it. If not he gets the leftover minutes and if he isn't okay with that he can work harder or leave.

 

[jjscap]

You guys seem to forget he has 2.5 more years on his rookie contract. Also he may get injured.
Benching Kanter means zero chance to resign him, also lower trade value.

I say.... start Kanter until the trade deadline (feb 20). And trade him if any solid offer comes along.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You guys seem to forget he has 2.5 more years on his rookie contract. Also he may get injured.
Benching Kanter means zero chance to resign him, also lower trade value.

I say.... start Kanter until the trade deadline (feb 20). And trade him if any solid offer comes along.

Kanter has 0 say about returning to Utah. He is a RFA.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Is Dirk still elite? That dude can't guard ****. I really think I could score on Dirk. srs.

He at least knows defensive concepts. You could argue Love in Dallas's system could to, but until he does it hard to say it's possible for him.

 

[zbone]

Not sure if you've watched a lot of the games this year, since your statement above suggests not. Hibbert played extremely well both last game and the first game we played them. He hit some difficult shots and had a great game. Rudy played great D on him for the most part, although Rudy needed to not let Hibbert get as good of position as he did at times. Hibbert scored the ball 8 times. He went 5/9 on Rudy (long jump shot, dunk off of a good pass, Al Jefferson hook shot from the free throw line, running hook, amazing hook shot with Rudy on his lap) and 3/4 on Favors (jumpshot, hook shot in the paint, hook shot from the block). Missed Shots with Rudy: Missed a jumper, missed hook, missed hook, contested jumper; Favors: sweeping hook (blocked). Your statement about Rudy is thus hyperbole. This was simply a learning moment for Rudy and a good game for Hibbert.

As the matter of fact I've watched every game so far. Rudy is awesome and all but if we hold him to the same standard as Kanter then he was schooled by Hibbert who had its way and showed how raw and inexperienced Rudy is so far in man to man defense. Hibbert almost always was able to establish his position deep in the post (same issue with Kanter) and was taking away Rudy's length factor by going to his chest and throwing him off balance before getting the shot off. That's how experienced bigs will be playing against him and as I said Hibbert's offense is average at best.

I am not saying Rudy's overall defensive p[erformance is on par with Kanter's but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

What a great showing last night.

The next seven are crucial and gonna help me determine if last night was an anomaly or trend. This is a brutal stretch. Five of the seven are on the road. OKC and Cleveland are getting into must-win mode. The Spurs aren't quite at that point but at the 7 seed, they need to get hot. Golden State is the 1 seed. Houston the 5 seed. Milwaukee has played great ball all year and is #1 in the NBA against the spread. The Lakers are really the only gimme game but with Kobe back, who knows.

@ OKC
@ Houston
vs. Golden State
vs. L.A. Lakers
@ San Antonio
@ Cleveland
@ Milwaukee

I'd love to see Gobert average around 13/10/3 over that time.