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Golden State Whoriors at Utah Jazz: 7pm MT

Catchall said:
Marvin Williams shot 1 for 6 for 2 pts. with 1 rebound, 1 assist and 1 block in 19 minutes.

Earl Watson and Jamal Tinsley combined to shoot 0 for 5 with zero points, 7 assists and 7 turnovers.

Randy Foye shot 3 for 10 and ended with 8 pts , 2 rebs, and 1 assist.

I know I come across as an Al Jefferson apologist sometimes, but I really don't think he's the biggest problem here. He and David Lee had virtually identical stat lines.
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Symptoms of a poor offensive design.

Look, it's not like Marvin has been "lights out" this year. It's not like everyone has been awesome offensively this year and this game was an outlier.

Typically our offense sucks. Unless Mo or Big Al go off, we don't score.

That would be understandable if this were the 04 Jazz team without talent. The truth of the matter is, we have plenty of talent. However, we don't have an offensive system which is putting these talented players, (Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Marv Williams, Millsap, Favors, etc) into good positions.
It turned no names into very serviceable players. Wes Matthews, shandon anderson, Matt Harpring, etc.

I've seen the Jazz system work. It turned good players into great players, Stockton, Malone, Duron...
It turned very average players into very good players (Eisley, Keefe, Bruss, Millsap, Boozer, Memo, etc).

We're not doing that. If anything, the system we are currently running is making our players worse. Look at Marvin, Hayward, Kanter, Burks, etc. You can't tell me that they wouldn't benefit by going to a different system.
 
Did anybody notice that Ty called a timeout when the Jazz were down 10 with 27 seconds left in the game?
I mean what the hell was he thinking?

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The Jazz should have put both Foye and Burks in with either Hayward or Carroll to attack the zone. Our PGs couldn't drive and couldn't shoot against the zone, so we got completely derailed. We should have tried to speed up the game with defensive intensity so the Ws wouldn't be able to get set in their zone. Easier said than done, but we didn't even try it seemed.
 
I feel bad for Ty. I don't like watching people fail, except for LeBron, Wade, Mark Jackson and Torrey Elllis a little bit.

Jerry Sloan used to talk about not embarrassing guys. He didn't want one of his players to get beaten by the opposition repeatedly on either end of the floor. If a player was overmatched, he would switch match-ups and then most times he would let his guy play until he made a good play...a made basket, an assist or defended a play well. Then the guy would come out. I really respected that about Sloan. I kind of wish Jerry could switch Ty's match-up right now.
 
BHP said:
Why is Carroll al of a sudden playing garbage time and not significant minutes, Burks shouldnt be taking his minutes, burks should be tacking foyes and Marvins minutes.
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agree.. foye is great if he's draining 3s. been cold lately.

big fan of carroll, lots of hustle. he must be so annoying to whoever he is guarding, he's like a fly just never leaves you alone.

more burks please!
 
The Thriller said:
No execution, no identity, no flow, and very difficult shots.

It has been this way for the entire coaching tenure of Ty Corbin. This game is merely another in the gigantic and ever growing library of Ty Corbin coaching disasters. If we don't score in the fast break or a midrange jumper from Paul/Big Al, we typically don't score. Very rarely do we just explode with great execution, strategy, and with guys fulfilling their roles. Everything feels so forced so unnatural.

The opposite of what we knew of "Jazz Basketball."

We're quickly becoming a team like the Wizards and Kings, merely relying on our players to "out-athleticize" opponents rather than out-execute them. And... As you can see, that doesn't mean very good things for us. We're getting blown out by a 6-9 seed WC team at home. At this point, we can't beat the best teams in the league, are getting blown out by the avg teams (Indiana and Golden State), and probably would struggle against even the worst teams.

It's all coming to a head.

This team is quickly quitting on Corbin. They know he has no plan. They know he isn't capable. A change is necessary. The only question is, how long will we prolong this change?
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Maybe we are just not that good? I doubt it is all on Corbin. We have no superstar or all-star talent on this team. Detroit 2004 model is not going to work with this bunch of players due to lack of intimidating defensive force inside aka B.Wallace.
 
Well that was beyond pathetic.

Frankly only Al had a semi decent game when it counted, and Sap to a tiny bit of a lesser degree. Everyone else sucked.

And I was dead wrong when I said this team may not need another PG to replace Mo. They need one in the worst way.

If if Ty has any balls whatsoever Marvin just played his way deep into the bench today. Of course that won't be the case, sigh.
 
CNN SI's twitter page just had a headline with a link that read: "Mo Williams' injury force Jazz to make trade". I couldn't believe it, I was so curious to see what we did. When I clicked the link, it was just an opinion piece saying the Jazz should make a trade immediately, merely a $#*@ or get off the pot suggestion. I can't believe they'd write a terrible headline like that with a joke of an article to boot.
 
Deron Williams said:
Zero points, 5 missed shots and 7 turnovers from the PG position, but ppl blame this loss on Al & Ty?
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Ty is pretty rigid with his substitution patterns. It's like he's being pushed around by the players and their expectations for minutes instead of making adjustments. Putting Carroll and Burks in would have increased the defensive intensity where Foye and Marvin were slacking. Playing Foye instead of Tinsley to attack the zone along with Burks or Hayward would have been a good move. Favors could have punished Carl Landry in the low post instead of having Favors receive the ball 15 feet out on the floor. We weren't taking advantage of our strengths or matching their coaching moves.
 
As for a trade. No one should be untouchable

Our coaches are not developing our youth

None of them are all stars but they should all be better than they are

I would trade Hayward because I think he does not fit our system and will draw a better trade
 
AKMVP said:
Maybe we are just not that good? I doubt it is all on Corbin. We have no superstar or all-star talent on this team. Detroit 2004 model is not going to work with this bunch of players due to lack of intimidating defensive force inside aka B.Wallace.
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WTF we have no all-star talent ? Kanter ? Favors ? We have two of the most talented bigs on the NBA, but we are not using them how they deserve.
 
mellow said:
Is Favors still hurt? His rebounding has been down.
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I think Favors rebounded pretty well defensively tonight. The Ws just spread the floor and pulled him out of the paint. Favors had to guard something like 18 feet worth of floor space. Then the Ws packed the paint on the defensive side--like the Spurs did last year in the playoffs so it was hard to get an offensive board.

Here's the thing, the Jazz need shooters to spread the floor so that players like Al and Favors can get room to operate inside. But with Mo out and with Foye, Hayward and Marvin not shooting well, the Ws just sat back in a tight zone and packed the paint. No one on our side wanted to shoot. Mark Jackson did a good job following Greg Popovich's game plan from last season's playoffs.
 
Marvin Williams is a complete bust. Time to move him, or throw him in the dog house.
I don't blame the organization for trying to give him a chance. It was worth a shot.
I've seen enough though.

He was as advertised by Hawks fans. He'll make a few good plays now, and again but is mostly a ghost out there.
He doesn't do any one thing consistently good enough to justify him playing.
 
I agree with another poster here that Hayward deserves some blame here. He's not shooting with confidence, and he's not driving, so he's just kind of hanging around. He's okay on defense, but doesn't rebound that hard. The guy is just not playing that great right now.
 
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