Good Article on the Impending Lockout by David Aldridge
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Gyp Rosetti
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kwb,
what stats would be used to determine pay? do you not think these hoppers would become even more selfish to pad their stats and get paid?
what stats would be used to determine pay? do you not think these hoppers would become even more selfish to pad their stats and get paid?
kwb
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I know with MLB contracts, some have contracts that state they have to have so many plate appearances during the year in order for them to be paid.
I don't think the stats to determine pay should be far and beyond or make it hard. Make it simply, this is your job and with your skill set, it's not that hard to reach that goal. That way, you don't have a guy going out there just chucking up points to get paid.
Back to the MLB contracts, those would be helpful in the NBA for players like, AK and Boozer who are usually milking some stupid injury that they could most likely play through.
Gyp Rosetti
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kwb
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Typical NBA player these days,
''Why would I want to help them win a title? They're not doing anything for me. I'm at risk. I have a lot of risk here. I got my family to feed.''
Was due to make $14.6 million when this quote was said. Guess this athlete. If you're a man, you won't use google. ; )
Oh and just my .02. They're not doing anything for you? Just paying you millions of dollars is all but hey, that's nothing!
''Why would I want to help them win a title? They're not doing anything for me. I'm at risk. I have a lot of risk here. I got my family to feed.''
Was due to make $14.6 million when this quote was said. Guess this athlete. If you're a man, you won't use google. ; )
Oh and just my .02. They're not doing anything for you? Just paying you millions of dollars is all but hey, that's nothing!
Gyp Rosetti
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Are you employed sir?
kwb
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Not sure what type of stats could be used. Maybe FT %, assists, rebounds. Reasonable stats that wouldn't take away from the game. Have a base for each position, centers for rebounds, PG's for assists etc...If some type of legitamate stat paying figure was in line, I think it would give these players an incentive to work harder on their game instead of looking at, "Well I'm getting paid regardless of how I play." I know that this will never happen. Just stating my opinion. My whole reasoning behind this is athletes attitudes in regards to the game that gets them paid. The $$$ has clouded the players minds on work ethic. Not all of them but most of them.
kwb
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Was this a question for me or for the guy who made the remark in the quote?
green
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No kidding. I am currently buying a business and part of buying that business includes the employees give up their retirement matching and take pay cuts. "No other business has that kind of arrangement." LOL. That's the problem with most of these writers and politicians. None of them have ever held a job other than teacher, or writer or politician. They have no clue what the real world is like. Another reason I am completely dead against unions. Those statements are ridiculous.
In the real world, there's a big difference between employees making concessions and business owners being guaranteed profits. In fact, even aftrr the concessions, if the owners are still losing money, employee wages are one of the first things to be paid.
Unions exist because without them, companies treated their empolyees like bathroom tissues.
It's reasonable for the players to accept enough of a cutback to make the NBA profitable overall (which is in the neighbrhood of a 50-50 split on BRI). It is not reasonable to expect the players to accept 39% of BRI to every individual owner is guaranteed a profit. If the NBA wants every owner to make a profit, first make the NBA profitable overall, and then share the earnings.
MattMan
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It's not that they make more, but lose less.
MattMan
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Initially yes, but after a while, Union leaders will do anything in their power to stay in power, even if it comes at the cost of the long term health of the hands that feed.
Gyp Rosetti
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green
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The owners aren't guaranteed profits. Most owners lost money this year. There is nothing wrong with the owners wanting to make money and not LOSE money on their business. They took all the risks, not the players, they should get most of the rewards. There is nothing wrong with that. The ironic thing is, you slam owners for wanting guaranteed profits then say that the players should guarantee their $$$. You can't have it both ways. Either you get guaranteed salaries and the owners get guaranteed profits or neither gets it.
Unions are garbage. They abuse the system. They cost society a lot of money. Why should a high school graduate working at GM get $80,000 for the rest of their life when a lawyer is struggling to get $40,000. If we got rid of unions building costs would drop, plumber costs would drop, car prices would drop, basically everything would become affordable. Unions are garbage.
Treated like bathroom tissues. I have a lot of employees. They get paid well, they get time off, they get lunch bought for them all the time, snacks at work, bonuses, etc. So, that is treating employees like bathroom tissue? Give me a break. To say that all business owners that hire non-unionized employees treat them like crap is a joke. Heck, I bet just as many non-union employees are being taken advantage of as unionized employees.
Take for example, Ronnie Price. I bet he doesn't want a lockout. He wants to play basketball and get paid. But because Derrick Fisher wants to ensure he gets the mid-level exception long after he deserves it, he makes Price, Hayward, Watson, Miles, Kanter, Favors, Burks, etc lose money and sit out. Unions are an old idea that aren't needed anymore.
I do agree with your last paragraph. Lock the players out, make the league profitable (which means making it competitive, cutting salaries, getting rid of guaranteed contracts, etc), then bring it back.
kwb
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Yes, I do have a job.
Yeah, I can see why you are against unions: so you can remove retirement contributions and make pay cuts. That is why I am against owners like you. Selfish and blind.
carolinajazz
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...Professional Golf is the only sport where players get paid on a weekly basis that depends on their actual performance. Don't know that it would or could work in the NBA, MLB, or NFL. HOWEVER, no matter what stats these guys are producing, they are ALL way overpaid and the salaries need to be cut down drastically, before we all start puking our guts out!
green
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That's alright. I won't buy the business and it will go under and they will all be unemployed. Your way is so much better now. Why don't you become the selfish and blind one and go out and contribute? Go get your own business, and give all your profits to your employees. Let me know how it goes.
There is a reason the business is for sale and that is because it is unprofitable. I am trying to fix it. That means sacrifices from everyone. I give up hours spent at home in hopes of turning it around and making more money. The employees give up matching and take a pay cut in hopes that they keep their job and someday we can get back to that level. I take damn good care of my employees, but if the business is in the red, it hurts everybody. Take a big picture look at things.
I know this would never happen, but here is my radical solution. If the owners go to a lockout, nationalize the NBA. Declare this league of serious national interest and that the owners are abusing their fans and the league in an unacceptable manner. These ultra-rich boys can go invest in oil wells or soybean futures where no one cares what they do. Taking away the NBA for a year so they can maybe add to their fortunes is unacceptable. These teams are of much more personal interest to fans than the local gas station or grocery store.
Next, make it one business entity. Sell the individual teams to the cities that have them as franchises of the business and let the cities run them. Heck you could even elect coaches and managers in local elections.
Here is the good part: since it is one business, you can contract with the players at that level with no competition. I say then make every game winner take all. That's right, no guaranteed money except a small living salary and the winner of each game takes all the dough that night. Wouldn't that be better than handing some 19 year 20 million just because you hope he will play well in 5 years? Let him earn his bucks in 5 years by winning games.
Of course some money would be reserved for the playoffs and championships. Revenue would be shared evenly on to all teams. No more advantages to the big cities making it a fairer and more competitive league.
Forward Comrades! LOL.
Next, make it one business entity. Sell the individual teams to the cities that have them as franchises of the business and let the cities run them. Heck you could even elect coaches and managers in local elections.
Here is the good part: since it is one business, you can contract with the players at that level with no competition. I say then make every game winner take all. That's right, no guaranteed money except a small living salary and the winner of each game takes all the dough that night. Wouldn't that be better than handing some 19 year 20 million just because you hope he will play well in 5 years? Let him earn his bucks in 5 years by winning games.
Of course some money would be reserved for the playoffs and championships. Revenue would be shared evenly on to all teams. No more advantages to the big cities making it a fairer and more competitive league.
Forward Comrades! LOL.