Archie Moses
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I just spat my milk on my laptop, dude. Stop being funny. lol
Gordon Hayward can not Score in the NBA
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I just spat my milk on my laptop, dude. Stop being funny. lol
framer
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I sat next to a bunch of Spurs fans during Tim Duncan's debut at the Rocky Mountain Review. They weren't at all pleased when Ostertag commenced drinking his milkshake. It took a few pre-season games for Deron to shine.
Summer ball is made to highlight volume chuckers. It is not the place to highlight cerebral team-oriented players. You get a guy like that to shine in summer league. You should have something.
If you want to see how Hayward does in a structured team environment, rewatch his tournament games. I rewatched Deron beat Arizona a couple of weeks ago (live in Tucson, that game is bittersweet). Many may say that success in the NCAA tournament does not guarantee NBA success. There has to be something said for someone who wants it that badly. I saw in Hayward what I saw in Deron. Do you think Heyward is not going to greedily grab every opportunity given him? The most successful Jazz players ALL fit that category.
I like the fact that we are moving away from drafting workout wonders that are as dumb as a box of hammers. If you constantly harp on the selections of Humphries and Snyder, then you should be happy to give Heyward a chance
Summer ball is made to highlight volume chuckers. It is not the place to highlight cerebral team-oriented players. You get a guy like that to shine in summer league. You should have something.
If you want to see how Hayward does in a structured team environment, rewatch his tournament games. I rewatched Deron beat Arizona a couple of weeks ago (live in Tucson, that game is bittersweet). Many may say that success in the NCAA tournament does not guarantee NBA success. There has to be something said for someone who wants it that badly. I saw in Hayward what I saw in Deron. Do you think Heyward is not going to greedily grab every opportunity given him? The most successful Jazz players ALL fit that category.
I like the fact that we are moving away from drafting workout wonders that are as dumb as a box of hammers. If you constantly harp on the selections of Humphries and Snyder, then you should be happy to give Heyward a chance
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ultimatefrizzdude
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A few days before the draft I posted on twitter that if I boo, I hope I am booing for the next John Stockton. Well, I was at the ESA and I was booing with the best of them. I have NBA TV and have been able to watch both games and was very happy with Hayward's play.
While everyone else is in Me mode and trying to do to much, Hayward is playing very smart, in control good team basketball. I actually believe that he will do better during the regular season. He doesn't appear to have the Killer Instinct, but he looks like a great roll player. Here are some of the things I love:
1) He looks like a 6'8" Point Guard, his passing and vision are the best on the roster. He led a fast break down the floor and executed it perfectly. He set up Gaines for a potential game winning shot in the first game. Very unselfish.
2) He does the little things. He had several impressive rebounds where he was flying in from out of his positions to get rebounds over others. Anyone can get a rebound that comes to him, but few are willing to work hard to get every single miss. He also has had a few steals and blocks, including a key steal at the end of the first game to bring the Jazz back.
3) He has a great shot. I know a lot of us, me included, would love to see more from him, but he has a very good looking shot. It's within the offense and every shot has been a smart shot. Plus they have been meaningful shots. When the game was getting close in the second game he made a huge 3 point shot to put it out of reach.
At the end of the game I want him playing. If fouled he will make the free throw, he can dribble the ball or make good passes if DWill is being pressured, or he could even bring it down sometimes and set DWill up. Plus he can make a big shot if they leave him open. Will he ever be a star, no. But he can be a Hornachek, Korver, Harpring type player. Plus he is taller than any of those 3 and more athletic.
While everyone else is in Me mode and trying to do to much, Hayward is playing very smart, in control good team basketball. I actually believe that he will do better during the regular season. He doesn't appear to have the Killer Instinct, but he looks like a great roll player. Here are some of the things I love:
1) He looks like a 6'8" Point Guard, his passing and vision are the best on the roster. He led a fast break down the floor and executed it perfectly. He set up Gaines for a potential game winning shot in the first game. Very unselfish.
2) He does the little things. He had several impressive rebounds where he was flying in from out of his positions to get rebounds over others. Anyone can get a rebound that comes to him, but few are willing to work hard to get every single miss. He also has had a few steals and blocks, including a key steal at the end of the first game to bring the Jazz back.
3) He has a great shot. I know a lot of us, me included, would love to see more from him, but he has a very good looking shot. It's within the offense and every shot has been a smart shot. Plus they have been meaningful shots. When the game was getting close in the second game he made a huge 3 point shot to put it out of reach.
At the end of the game I want him playing. If fouled he will make the free throw, he can dribble the ball or make good passes if DWill is being pressured, or he could even bring it down sometimes and set DWill up. Plus he can make a big shot if they leave him open. Will he ever be a star, no. But he can be a Hornachek, Korver, Harpring type player. Plus he is taller than any of those 3 and more athletic.
My thoughts exactly. I boo'd him in my living room on draft night and now have decided to give him a chance and look at the positives/potential. Hayward compared his own game to Mike Miller, but after watching the two games I see his upside being Mike Dunleavy (pre-injury). I'd take that.
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Stifle Tower
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I've watched both. First game he looked tentative to start out. But who wouldn't? Just look at the numbers Turner, George, etc. put up in their first game.
Hayward is going to score off curls (like Harpring did) and he'll drift to the outside and make the open J if the ball is thrown back outside (like Raja). Hayward is also going to fill the stat sheet. No, he's not a 5x5 guy, but he's going to get a few assists, a handful of rebounds and a couple of steals. He plays the passing lanes pretty well and he's also more athletic than I thought, getting a couple of nice blocks. After a couple of games, I think he's already shown he'll be able to contribute as a rookie. If we don't re-sign Boozer, but do retain Matthews (which I think is 95% likely), here's how I could see the minutes being distributed:
PF: Millsap (33), AK (15)
SF: CJ (15), AK (18), Honzward (15)
SG: Matthews (31), CJ (17)
Even if Boozer comes back, he'll get most of his minutes at the 5 until Okur is ready to return.