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Gordon Hayward has the consistency of CJ Miles

Go google "CJ Miles" then click images...then tell me if you'd still prefer Gordon Hayward over CJ Miles.
 
CJ was the 5th or 6th option in that offense and he was the maytre for the entire team. Meanwhile, Hayward is a top three option in our team and no mumbling only praising his mediocracy.
 
Hayward and CJ are quite different in their inconsistency though. CJ would have one good game every 5 or 6, for his entire career. On the other hand, Hayward is a streaky shooter to a level that I've never seen. Hayward has 4 month stretches of looking like an all-star, and 4 month stretches of looking pretty bad, and it's basically because of his ridiculously streaky shot.

Just look at his 3pt% year by year since college.

Freshman Butler: 44.8%
Sophomore Butler: 29.4%
Rookie NBA: 47.3%
2nd year NBA: 34.6%
3rd year NBA: 41.5%
Currently: 28.2%

Looks like it's going to happen again this year too. I can't explain it, but it's bad, and at this point it's not just a fluke. It's a serious problem. Maybe he needs to see a sports psychologist or something.
 
But you gotta remember that Hayward is young if he would have stayed in college he would only be a graduate assistant by now. And John Stockton was still coming off the bench when he was Hayward's age.
 
This is my official stance on Hayward. I love him at 8 million. I don't think he will get the love from other teams that he thinks he will. No team will want to pay him 12 per, seeing how he can't carry a team or anything close to that, and how the Jazz just might match that. So, I don't think he gets an offer from anywhere else, because the Jazz cap situation is too good. They could match him at max dollars and still be FINE. No cap worries at all. I think he ends up re-signing with the Jazz for 4 years, 36. 9 per.

And I love that.

You put this lineup on the floor:

Burke
Hayward
Parker
Favors
Some FA C that plays awesome defense

with this bench:

Veteran PG
Burks
Marvin
Kanter
Gobert

and we are back in the playoffs next year. Hayward is now the third/fourth option again, and draining threes like he is a young Kyle Korver. We all love him again, and talk about how underpaid he is and how if he was the #1 option, he would be better than Paul George. And we all love each other once again.
 
cjs55 said:
Hayward and CJ are quite different in their inconsistency though. CJ would have one good game every 5 or 6, for his entire career. On the other hand, Hayward is a streaky shooter to a level that I've never seen. Hayward has 4 month stretches of looking like an all-star, and 4 month stretches of looking pretty bad, and it's basically because of his ridiculously streaky shot.

Just look at his 3pt% year by year since college.

Freshman Butler: 44.8%
Sophomore Butler: 29.4%
Rookie NBA: 47.3%
2nd year NBA: 34.6%
3rd year NBA: 41.5%
Currently: 28.2%

Looks like it's going to happen again this year too. I can't explain it, but it's bad, and at this point it's not just a fluke. It's a serious problem. Maybe he needs to see a sports psychologist or something.
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I think he must be mentally weak...once things start going bad it takes him forever to get out of that funk. Maybe he should see a sports psychologist, or maybe he should practice more in the offseason? He needs to do something...
 
green said:
This is my official stance on Hayward. I love him at 8 million. I don't think he will get the love from other teams that he thinks he will. No team will want to pay him 12 per, seeing how he can't carry a team or anything close to that, and how the Jazz just might match that. So, I don't think he gets an offer from anywhere else, because the Jazz cap situation is too good. They could match him at max dollars and still be FINE. No cap worries at all. I think he ends up re-signing with the Jazz for 4 years, 36. 9 per.

And I love that.

You put this lineup on the floor:

Burke
Hayward
Parker
Favors
Some FA C that plays awesome defense

with this bench:

Veteran PG
Burks
Marvin
Kanter
Gobert

and we are back in the playoffs next year. Hayward is now the third/fourth option again, and draining threes like he is a young Kyle Korver. We all love him again, and talk about how underpaid he is and how if he was the #1 option, he would be better than Paul George. And we all love each other once again.
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Why do we always make comparison for Hayward so drastic and incredibly unattainable? "draining threes like Kyle Korver"? Sorry we'll never see Hayward shoot the ball that well...ever. How about draining threes like David Benoit, Bryon Russell or best case scenario, Jim Les...that's more realistic. NOTE: I know you were using sarcasm, but I just wanted to throw that in.
 
l Abach l said:
"bruh" - another trendy word. Nice!
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He tries so hard to appear "cool" that it is almost cute.








Much in the same way that aint tried so hard with his ebonics schtick.
 
akirac73 said:
Why do we always make comparison for Hayward so drastic and incredibly unattainable? "draining threes like Kyle Korver"? Sorry we'll never see Hayward shoot the ball that well...ever. How about draining threes like David Benoit, Bryon Russell or best case scenario, Jim Les...that's more realistic. NOTE: I know you were using sarcasm, but I just wanted to throw that in.
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Yeah, I was making fun of that jazzfanz trait.
 
I think Gordon hurt his knee more than he let on, and that he has not been able to figure out how to compensate for it. Unfortunately that is a big part of playing in the NBA. Gotta play hurt.
 
akirac73 said:
Why do we always make comparison for Hayward so drastic and incredibly unattainable? "draining threes like Kyle Korver"? Sorry we'll never see Hayward shoot the ball that well...ever. How about draining threes like David Benoit, Bryon Russell or best case scenario, Jim Les...that's more realistic. NOTE: I know you were using sarcasm, but I just wanted to throw that in.
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Hayward shot .415 from three last season. Korver shoots .421 from three for his career. So yeah... Pretty attainable. Hayward is a great spot up shooter, and great when there are other options on the team so he is not the only one drawing defense.
 
b_line said:
Hayward shot .415 from three last season. Korver shoots .421 from three for his career. So yeah... Pretty attainable. Hayward is a great spot up shooter, and great when there are other options on the team so he is not the only one drawing defense.
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Korver has maintained a 42% accuracy from behind the arc over the course of ELEVEN SEASONS...that is an absolutely amazing feat. Not many players have ever attained that type of accuracy for that long of a period. Players like Larry Bird, Jeff Hornacek, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Dirk Notwitzki, are below Korver in terms of career 3PT%. But yeah, go ahead and pick one season from Hayward to convince yourself that he can be as good as Korver from 3.
 
akirac73 said:
Korver has maintained a 42% accuracy from behind the arc over the course of ELEVEN SEASONS...that is an absolutely amazing feat. Not many players have ever attained that type of accuracy for that long of a period. Players like Larry Bird, Jeff Hornacek, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Dirk Notwitzki, are below Korver in terms of career 3PT%. But yeah, go ahead and pick one season from Hayward to convince yourself that he can be as good as Korver from 3.
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yeah you have probably not looked at Hayward's stats at all right? For his career before this season, he was shooting .411 from three. This season is 1/4 of the way through. Hayward has always finished the season strong. If you think this season is the norm for him, then yeah, he will not ever be close to as good as a shooter as Korver. But guess what, the past three seasons say that he is just about on par with Korver for 3 pt shooting percentages. Hayward's .411, to Kyle's .421.

Hayward is a damn good spot up shooter. If he was being asked to play that role on a championship team, he would look awesome. The reason he looks crappy this year is because he was the only one who teams had to defend for like 2/3 the games he has played in so far. Now that Favors is kind of scoring consistently, and Burke is taking a lot of the offensive pressure off of Hayward, I expect his shooting percentages to be somewhat closer to his career averages. They will still probably be a little lower, but over the next few seasons he will probably improve on those.
 
b_line said:
yeah you have probably not looked at Hayward's stats at all right? For his career before this season, he was shooting .411 from three. This season is 1/4 of the way through. Hayward has always finished the season strong. If you think this season is the norm for him, then yeah, he will not ever be close to as good as a shooter as Korver. But guess what, the past three seasons say that he is just about on par with Korver for 3 pt shooting percentages. Hayward's .411, to Kyle's .421.

Hayward is a damn good spot up shooter. If he was being asked to play that role on a championship team, he would look awesome. The reason he looks crappy this year is because he was the only one who teams had to defend for like 2/3 the games he has played in so far. Now that Favors is kind of scoring consistently, and Burke is taking a lot of the offensive pressure off of Hayward, I expect his shooting percentages to be somewhat closer to his career averages. They will still probably be a little lower, but over the next few seasons he will probably improve on those.
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You're comparing Hayward's small sample size of three seasons (but then you conveniently disregard his horrendous shooting percentages through his fourth season) to Korver's career 3pt shooting through 11 seasons. OK got it, seems like a totally fair and unbiased use of stats.

Another thing you're simply not understanding...Korver is a pure shooter, meaning he can hit threes fading away, coming off a curl, with a hand in his face, with his feet set, with his feet not set, it doesn't matter...the guy is simply uncanny. He played for the Jazz...you should know this.

Hayward on the other hand needs to have all of the stars aligned to make a three (needs to be wide open, feet properly set, time to line up his shot, etc.) take any of these conditions away and he's basically throwing up a prayer.


I don't know if this website will be around in 6 years, but come back and see me after Hayward plays 10 seasons in the NBA and lets talk again. I guarantee you Hayward will not have a 40% career 3ptFG%. No way in hell...
 
akirac73 said:
You're comparing Hayward's small sample size of three seasons (but then you conveniently disregard his horrendous shooting percentages through his fourth season) to Korver's career 3pt shooting through 11 seasons. OK got it, seems like a totally fair and unbiased use of stats.

Another thing you're simply not understanding...Korver is a pure shooter, meaning he can hit threes fading away, coming off a curl, with a hand in his face, with his feet set, with his feet not set, it doesn't matter...the guy is simply uncanny. He played for the Jazz...you should know this.

Hayward on the other hand needs to have all of the stars aligned to make a three (needs to be wide open, feet properly set, time to line up his shot, etc.) take any of these conditions away and he's basically throwing up a prayer.


I don't know if this website will be around in 6 years, but come back and see me after Hayward plays 10 seasons in the NBA and lets talk again. I guarantee you Hayward will not have a 40% career 3ptFG%. No way in hell...
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Ok, lets compare their first three seasons then, when Korver was actually a slightly worse shooter than Hayward at .405 compared to Hayward's .415.

And if you are going to talk to me about small sample size, then let's go with the 22 games you are calling horrendous as a small sample size. I would tend to think that three full seasons would be a better indicator of how good a shooter is than the first 22 games of one season.

If Hayward has to have all the stars align, then how in the hell did he make so damn many shots in his first three years in the NBA? If you don't think Hayward is a good spot up shooter when the floor is spaced, then you are an idiot. He is elite at that one skill. If Korver was on this team, with no spacing, he would be shooting a terrible percentage as well. It is not about who can shoot better contested three point shots, because Korver does not make a living shooting those. The way Korver gets his shots are because he has a good post player or two on his team, as well as a point guard who can drive the ball, thus taking the defense a little bit away from him. Last year, Hayward thrived on the wing shooting a high percentage threes because Millsap and Al would draw so much attention away from Hayward.

If you want to say that Hayward sucks this year, that he is inconsistent, and that he needs to be better at a myriad of things, that is fine. But saying that he is not a good spot shooter is beyond stupid, especially when he has good spacing. In fact, the argument against Hayward getting over 10 million per year is that he is a one dimensional spot up shooter.
 
Korver is an elite level shooter. Take a look at this grantland article (scroll down to the last third of the page). Hayward is not even mentioned nor does he deserve to be.
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https://www.grantland.com/story/_/i...ntroduces-new-way-understand-nba-best-scorers
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Then check our our very own Jazz homer David Locke and read his article where he clearly thinks Hayward is NOT an elite shooter.
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https://weareutahjazz.com/lockedonj...mula-who-on-last-years-jazz-was-best-shooter/
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Also, Name one person on this message board that has stated Hayward is not worth $10M/year because he is a one-dimensional spot up shooter? I've never seen this at all. Most people don't think he's worth the money because he's unbelievably inconsistent, he often disappears or fails in clutch situations, he's not a leader or #1 on an NBA team, etc.
 
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