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Gordon Hayward or Chandler Parsons?

Stoked said:
Oh no no no no no no no no NNNNNOOOOOO!!!!

They are PERFECT where they are. Walk around about how awesome their team is and how they have all these stars and then BAM! Chewed up and spit out in the first round like the trash they are. LOVE IT!!! Their pain brings me joy and that may make me less of a person but I am OK with that.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving team and fanbase. (Excluding the Lakers)
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because teams tend to pay max salaries to slightly above average players

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?14183-Laker-train-wreck-is-fun-to-watch&p=470837&viewfull=1#post470837
 
Fabtrey said:
i know hayward only shot .413%, but that's because he plays for jazz not rockets. the difference between these 2 aren't much. but i like parsons because he has more upside, couple inches taller, and attacks the rim better.
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Not to play the role of Hayward apologist, but it would be interesting to see what would happen to Parson's efficiency would be become the #1 option.

I really like Parsons but I also really like Hayward, particularly when/if he is used in a system that uses him correctly and extenuates his strengths. I am indifferent between the two.
 
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Bodhi said:
I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.

I won't even bother looking this up but can the numbers savy guys tell me how Houston (it's being rumored) can be trying to position themselves for a 3rd max guy (Love, Melo etc....again, this is the talk) and give Parsons 12/13mil (....rumored..)? They have Howard, Harden, Asik and Lin on big deals (I know Asik and Lin were mostly front loaded, but still), then add in a 17-20m guy and Parsons at 12/13. Huh? How can that math add up from a cap standpoint?
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They'd have to dump Asik, Lin, some minor players on small contracts, and maybe one of Jones or Donatas. Parsons' cap hold is only $1.7mm, so the Rockets could sign or trade for another player who fits under the cap (they could have $20mm-ish in space) and then sign Parsons for up to the max. I'd guess moving Asik, Jones and Donatas would be easier than moving Lin. Kevin Love ($15.7mm) would be a lot easier to fit under the cap than Melo, who will be looking to sign starting at $20mm+.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
I would (take Parsons), hes a better offensive player, more confident shooter, and most likely cheaper. I keep telling myself im cool with giving a Hayward a big contract, but when i see 30% from 3 on 3.6 attempts, it makes me a bit queasy.

Parsons I think is more suited and battle-tested for the role the Jazz need him to play (SF). IMO hes more natural off the ball than Gordon, and hes better attacking closeouts (not a surprise as his 3 point shot is more dangerous). With Trey and Alec around i dont see the need to pay a premium for Gordons playmaking, Parsons is no slouch passing the ball either.
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my thoughts from the thread in General NBA
 
Bodhi said:
He's a wimp. Simple as that.
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This is a good point.... and parsons having a little better height (he can better play the 3 next to alec "slick pimp" burks) has made me change my mind.

I take parsons too..... despite his flat jumper
 
Bodhi said:
I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.
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Bodhi-bro, did you watch the playoffs? Go read clutch fans from around that time period. Parsons was crucified. He had a knack for being completely scoreless in the 2nd half all series long, in a tightly-contested series. His defense was porous. In fact, the only meaningful possession he had offensively was that tip-in right before Damian Lillard drained the game-winner. Hundreds of posters slam Parsons as weak, mentally-speaking. Apparently before the series, Parsons announced that he's the best SF of either team-- and clutch fans constantly brought this up amidst laughter as Batum outplayed him on both ends of the floor.
 
There's a reason the olympic team chose Hayward over Parsons, y'all. Give me Hayward every damn day.
 
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Bodhi said:
I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.

I won't even bother looking this up but can the numbers savy guys tell me how Houston (it's being rumored) can be trying to position themselves for a 3rd max guy (Love, Melo etc....again, this is the talk) and give Parsons 12/13mil (....rumored..)? They have Howard, Harden, Asik and Lin on big deals (I know Asik and Lin were mostly front loaded, but still), then add in a 17-20m guy and Parsons at 12/13. Huh? How can that math add up from a cap standpoint?
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How can Brooklyn have a team that cost them $190M this year?
It's very easy to do once you have players in place up to the luxury tax. Then you can trade salaries to get that MAX player and go into luxury tax territory to retain your own player. Jazz did it once - briefly - to retain Millsap and the rest of their "core," but they knew Boozer and AK would soon come off the books. So landing in tax territory for a year or two under the old CBA was no big deal. Under the new agreement, repeat offenders are taxed heavily. I don't see the Jazz exceeding the tax level very often, if at all.
 
It's close. Though I'd give the advantage to Parsons. He's the better physical specimen bigger, stronger and more explosive. I think they basically give you the same impact and are at best a third option.
 
It's easy to be a better player when you have two all stars next to you. Switch hayward and Parsons for the last few years and you would all be wanting Hayward.
 
As for Hayward v. Parsons, I go with Gordon. And I'm not being a homer. Gordon plays SG and can play SF; Parsons is a SF. Both have roughly the same career avgs on their 3's. Yes, Hayward is coming off a HORRIBLE year shooting-wise. But if he returns to his career average, which I think is likely when he's not asked to do everything, I'll gladly take a SG in the 45/37 range who can also move to SF. But it's close. If a team like Boston offered MAX for Hayward, then Utah should go after Parsons. In fact, DL should call Chandler's agent on Day 1. Present a contract to Hayward and the same one to Parsons; whoever signs first gets the job.
 
Core4 said:
How can Brooklyn have a team that cost them $190M this year?
It's very easy to do once you have players in place up to the luxury tax. Then you can trade salaries to get that MAX player and go into luxury tax territory to retain your own player. Jazz did it once - briefly - to retain Millsap and the rest of their "core," but they knew Boozer and AK would soon come off the books. So landing in tax territory for a year or two under the old CBA was no big deal. Under the new agreement, repeat offenders are taxed heavily. I don't see the Jazz exceeding the tax level very often, if at all.
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Like GVC said, they'd have to move Asik and Lin still. So not that "easy".
 
Neither of these guys are worth $12 or $13 million. I don't want either at that price. I would take Hayward over Parsons simply because he can play two positions and he is a better defender.
 
I agree - it's not an easy choice. Let's sign both and sew them together. They can be the first-ever combo forward.
 
Put Hayward in the second or third option who can do pick'n roll, and from time to time be the lead guy with less pressure, he'd be an Allstar Hayward is a better offensive and defensive player and stat stuffer. Hayward by a mile.


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Bodhi said:
Like GVC said, they'd have to move Asik and Lin still. So not that "easy".
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Not "easy," but I'm sure they could involve a third team in order to make room for someone like Love. Multiple teams will have lots of cap space available (Utah, Boston, Philly, Phoenix, etc.) and those players are pretty good. It's not like moving the contract of a Biedrins or Stoudemire, for example. Worst case, they could just give those guys away for 2nd round picks in order to clear cap room.
 
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