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Gordon Hayward SG vs SF

one stat proves it!!!!



actually, yes, I think he should split his time between the two positions.
 
utahjazz107 said:
https://www.hoopsstats.com/basketba...azz/players/gordon-hayward/matchups/12/29/423

Looking at his matchup ratio (matches won/matches lost), we see that his matchup ratio at SF is actually greater than 1.

SG Matchup Ratio: .625
SF Matchup Ratio: 1.06

I don't get why everyone is jumping on the Hayward at 2 backwagon. Seems like he is a more natural 3 than 2 to me.
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If the guy wants to be stronger and slash more, lets let him play at the 3. He's talented at either spot, but probably not as quick as some of the smaller 2's.
 
Only 2 I can recall seeing Hayward struggle with, is Eric Gordon. Jesus, that guy **** all over G-Time in that one game.
 
This topic always makes me chuckle a little bit.

The truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter. In so many systems nowadays the 2 and 3 are interchangeable offensively. In other words, they're exactly the same position and only operate differently depending on what sets are run, what side of the floor they're run to, what match-ups they're trying to exploit, etc.

Defensively, man-to-man assignments are determined by match-ups. The "SG" (and I use that term loosely) doesn't automatically guard the opponent's "SG."

Example: Lakers vs. Heat. LeBron James, maybe the best one-on-one defender in the league, is the "SF." So is Ron Artest, who has a severely limited offensive game. You can bet that the majority of the time LA has the ball, James will not be matched up against Ron Artest (er, Metta World Peace).
 
dalamon said:
Only 2 I can recall seeing Hayward struggle with, is Eric Gordon. Jesus, that guy **** all over G-Time in that one game.
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Yes, he did. It was discouraging. Eric Gordon is basically the size of a big PG and has great speed. It was difficult because if Hayward gave him an inch, he nailed the three. If Hayward got up on him, he drove to the rim and finished. I think with Favors at the rim, it would be tougher for him to do that.
 
The way the game is played now, teams use the 'small line up' a lot. Look at the Pacers playing Barbosa at the 3. Heat has been playing LeBron at the 4 and OKC occasionally play Durant at the 4 depending on match-ups.

So, really, I think the match-up will determine where he plays.
 
The great myth about Hayward is that he's a "good" defensive player. He's solidly OK. He won't kill you out there, but he's no ace, and he's no threat to make the All Defensive Teams.

Regardless of position, he gets routinely beat off screens and isn't the type of defender who imposes his will on an opponent -- miles away from the Allen's of the game. He's competent swinging from 3 to 2 which is more than a lot of players can say. But the sooner Ty realizes shifting Hayward to PG's and star players late in games is stupid, the better we'll be defensively as a team.
 
dalamon said:
Only 2 I can recall seeing Hayward struggle with, is Eric Gordon. Jesus, that guy **** all over G-Time in that one game.
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True, but E. Gordon is a beast. He **** all over everyone for about a 2 week period. Wish we could get that guy.
 
Jazz4ever said:
True, but E. Gordon is a beast. He **** all over everyone for about a 2 week period. Wish we could get that guy.
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Is it:

a) A 4 letter word starting with 'J' ending with 'Z'
b) A 4 letter word starting with 'S' ending with 'T'
c) A 4 letter word starting with 'P' ending with 'S'

or

d) All of the above.
 
According to Locke:

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Here's something else from Locke:
The 4 best offensive units (20 mins minimum) Gordon Hayward played on this year had him at the 2 guard rather than the small forward. Whereas, 5 of the 6 worst offensive line-ups Gordon played at least 20 minutes with had him at the small forward. 5 of the 8 best defensive line-ups Gordon played on also had him at the 2 guard. His 4 best overall defensive units all had him at the 2 guard.
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I do not know the statistics about the Locke gave but for me, he is always SF. Easier for him to defend the 3s rather than 2s, quick and athletic enough to cover the 3s opposite of 2s, talented enough to play as a point forward and easier to make pick and roll with big men if you look at his ball handling skills. Most SGs are quicker, faster and more mobile than him. Also, for the min share better for him to be SF to give enough opportunity to Alec in the SG. Last, he's gotta work about his shooting, shooting and shooting again what his position is. Either SG or SF, all the team need is consistent outside threat. Then everything is gonna be easier for the big men and spacing will be critical for the offense.
 
illyasova said:
I do not know the statistics about the Locke gave but for me, he is always SF. Easier for him to defend the 3s rather than 2s, quick and athletic enough to cover the 3s opposite of 2s, talented enough to play as a point forward and easier to make pick and roll with big men if you look at his ball handling skills. Most SGs are quicker, faster and more mobile than him. Also, for the min share better for him to be SF to give enough opportunity to Alec in the SG. Last, he's gotta work about his shooting, shooting and shooting again what his position is. Either SG or SF, all the team need is consistent outside threat. Then everything is gonna be easier for the big men and spacing will be critical for the offense.
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Completely disagree. I have seen him lockdown many more elite SGs than SFs. In fact, Eric Gordon is the only all-star level SG that has completely outdone Hayward (that I remember). Fortunately, Gordon is a second year player, and I am 100% certain that he will never forget that game ever again. Eric drained three threes right in his face, before Millsap started guarding him.

How do you plan on getting Hayward to defend Crash? Lebron? Melo? Gay? He did an okay job on Marion in his most recent game against the Mavs, which was promising. Hayward is definitely better off playing as an SG, and he has been very competent defending SGs over the past two seasons. Hell, he even did a decent job defending Tony Parker in the series for however brief that stint was.
 
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