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Gordon VS. Vonleh

Who do you pick out of these two?

  • Aaron Gordon

    Votes: 35 60.3%

  • Noah Vonleh

    Votes: 23 39.7%
  • Total voters
    58
Beantown

Beantown

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Two players that will be their at #5. Two players that are listed as being able to play two positions.

Gordon as a SF/PF

Vonleh at PF/C

The interesting thing is their size. At the combine Vonleh was only 0.5 inches taller than Gordon:

Gordon @ 6''7.5

Vonleh @ 6'8

Vonleh has Gordon on his wingspan, but Gordon has him on athleticism and vertical.

Vonleh is also very skinny where Gordon is extremely strong.

Vonleh does have the shooting though, his 3p% was pretty impressive and could be a nice stretch 4.

But I choose Gordon. Gordon has the chance to be elite, Vonleh will just be another nice role player.
 
I'm going to disagree with you.
Gordon will be a role player due to his lack of offense.

Vonleh is going to be an all-star as a PF.
 
If Vonleh is only 1/2 an inch taller, yet weighs 27 lbs more, how is he skinny when Gordon is Extremely strong?
 
Depending upon how workouts go, I am not convinced that Vonleh will be there at #5. Still think Exum slips and there is a chance Smart gets picked in front of him. Still don't care as I want Gordon. Gordon just has a higher BBIQ than anyone else in the top 10. I have yet to see bad things happen when you combine elite athleticism with a high BBIQ AND a relentless motor. Many in the top 10 have 2 of the three, but Gordon is the only one with all 3.
 
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Core4 said:
I'm going to disagree with you.
Gordon will be a role player due to his lack of offense.

Vonleh is going to be an all-star as a PF.
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You can't be an All-Star and have no elite skill. Vonleh does nothing elite. Next year Gordon will be one of the most athletic defenders in the league.
 
Gordon, and it was never close.

If you don't know, do the research, 'cause I'm tired of posting it.

One can be a 3, which we need, the other can only be a 4, which is probably the inly position we don't need.
 
framer said:
Depending upon how workouts go, I am not convinced that Vonleh will be there at #5. Still think Exum slips and there is a chance Smart gets picked in front of him. Still don't care as I want Gordon. Gordon is just has a higher BBIQ than anyone else in the top 10. I have yet to see bad things happen when you combine elite athleticism with a high BBIQ AND a relentless motor. Many in the top 10 have 2 of the three, but Gordon is the only one with all 3.
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The combination of elite athleticism, motor, and BBIQ really is tantalizing. I just don't know if he'll ever be a great scorer. His footwork in the post is non-existent, he doesn't have a good touch, and he can't shoot off the dribble to save his life.

He does seem like a hard worker, though. And a perfectionist (from what I gather from his interviews). Maybe those two things allow him to put together his scoring abilities in time, but he has a loooong way to go.
 
Beantown said:
Two players that will be their at #5. Two players that are listed as being able to play two positions.

Gordon as a SF/PF

Vonleh at PF/C

The interesting thing is their size. At the combine Vonleh was only 0.5 inches taller than Gordon:

Gordon @ 6''7.5

Vonleh @ 6'8

Vonleh has Gordon on his wingspan, but Gordon has him on athleticism and vertical.

Vonleh is also very skinny where Gordon is extremely strong.

Vonleh does have the shooting though, his 3p% was pretty impressive and could be a nice stretch 4.

But I choose Gordon. Gordon has the chance to be elite, Vonleh will just be another nice role player.
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Vonleh is not skinny. It is the other way around. Gordon only weighs 220 lbs.

Vertical was 39" to 37" not really that big of a difference considering Vonleh has him by 27 lbs. The difference in wingspan is pretty significant if I recall.
Are those measurements in shoes or barefoot.
Overall Vonleh is a better two way player. His offensive skills are more advance than Gordon. They both rebound well. Both are good defenders. I give the edge defensively to Gordon but it doesn't make up for his raw offensive skills.
Vonleh is even younger than Gordon, at least I think that is true.

I like Gordon over Vonleh only because I think he can play some SF which is a position of need. If I am wrong I probably would take Vonleh since he can score and play defense. Vonleh outside shot is what currently sets him apart from Gordon. I would choose Gordon if I think he can develop an outside jumper. The jury is still out if either can be all-star or superstar level. Right now I see two young guys with a whole lot of potential and a lot to prove.
 
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from what I've heard,

Gordon's BBIQ>>>>>>>>>Vonleh's BBIQ
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I'd say Gordon is by far the better athlete (lol @ anyone who thinks you can quantify one's athleticism simply by their combine measurements), has a better BBIQ and feel for the game, a better motor, and more of that "it" personality... the competitiveness/perfectionism... the desire to be THE BEST.

Vonleh has a crazy long wingspan paired with monstrous hands and a better offensive repertoire at the moment.

I like Vonleh's chances better at becoming a reliable two-way player, but I like Gordon's chances better at becoming a star. If that makes sense. I just don't see enough bad-assery in Vonleh. I do see a lot of it in Gordon, actually.

I think if we keep this pick, we need to swing for the fences. Right now, I'd take Gordon over Vonleh.
 
I voted for Gordon and it'll take a lot to make me switch to Vonleh. Everyone here is talking about how raw Gordon is on offense(which he is), but when I look at clips of Vonleh I still see someone who is raw on offense. Granted he isn't AS raw, but he is still raw and needs a lot of polishing. We are still going through the growing pains of a PF who was drafted raw offensively, do we really need to do it again?
It also concerns me how Vonleh gets in foul trouble quick. I just see Vonleh as a lesser, more unpolished version of Favors in some instances. We don't need that.
Its been said before but I will say it again, Gordon's BBIQ is way good, much much higher than Vonleh. And thats on both sides of the ball. Gordon is always in the right place, Vonleh seems to find himself out of place often.
 
Gordon is also 18, and one of the youngest players in the entire draft.

Think about how much of the game he has mastered so far. It isn't ridiculous to assume that the rest of the package is still coming.
 
Beantown said:
Vonleh is also very skinny where Gordon is extremely strong.
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spycam1 said:
I'd say Gordon is by far the better athlete (lol @ anyone who thinks you can quantify one's athleticism simply by their combine measurements), has a better BBIQ and feel for the game, a better motor, and more of that "it" personality... the competitiveness/perfectionism... the desire to be THE BEST.

Vonleh has a crazy long wingspan paired with monstrous hands and a better offensive repertoire at the moment.

I like Vonleh's chances better at becoming a reliable two-way player, but I like Gordon's chances better at becoming a star. If that makes sense. I just don't see enough bad-assery in Vonleh. I do see a lot of it in Gordon, actually.

I think if we keep this pick, we need to swing for the fences. Right now, I'd take Gordon over Vonleh.
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Pretty much my thoughts.
 
I live in Tucson, attended a few UofA games, so I admit bias. What REALLY turned me on to Gordon was the U19 tournament. Dude came off the bench and was MVP. He just has the ability to be whatever his team needs at the time. Reminds me a lot of Scotty Pippen in that way. . . His 3 point shooting is not horrendous at 35%. I think he would thrive in a supporting role as a first and second year player. Arizona often depended upon him to do too much, which kind of stunted his development in his fundamental game. I got the feeling that when things started getting out of hand there was a lot of "just go out there and be a hero," instead of settling him down and running the plays. Also Arizona scored a tremendous amount in transition which didn't translate into Gordon taking a lot of screened shots from the elbow (for an example). I could learn to do that as an 18 year old with some success, it doesn't take too much to believe that Gordon could too. Just give him Harpring's offensive game and the dude is a multi year allstar. With his BBIQ that is doable, no?
 
Imagine if Gordon put on 20lbs. I think he'd still be able to attack from and guard on the perimeter ala LeBron. That's how athletic he is.
 
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