Gordon VS. Vonleh
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Sexual Favors
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Sexual Favors
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Please reformat this so it is quotable, so I don't have to spend 15 mins writing html just to respond.
Game6Conley
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Sexual Favors
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Haha. Now I'm regretting having sent you that positiv rep.
You may or may not get a response tomrrow. Depends on how bored I get when I should be doing something productive.
sahlensguy
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The Jazz have a serious shortage of nasty. Bringing in a top guy from this draft without it is a mistake. Gordon seems to bring that, which is why I voted for him. That along with his elite athleticism and work ethic is hard to pass up at the five spot. Bring him in and at 18 years old, believe his shot can be coached up to a pro level.
Derrick Williams was a great college player, but he was definitely a 4. He worked his tail off in college and developed a nice around the basket game. Perfect size for the college game. Soft touch around the rim, played with either hand. No way he should have been picked as high as he was though, and I'm a huge fan of his personally. He played the last portion of the season with a broken hand, and excelled. He was an average defender... worked hard at it, but did not have the anticipation.
Aaron is wing player who Arizona moved to the 4 because of lack of size. He is one of those players who has intangibles... he affects the game is ways the score board does not show, has a great motor. Very quick and has a great first step. Has some pretty good crossovers as well. He is much more of a slasher, cutter. The highlight videos show a lot of dunks, but they don't show the reason he got them. He just out sprints his man down the court all game. He's very fast... not just for his size. I kinda wish he would have stayed another year, there is a lot he could have learned. However, he is very smart. Always in the right spot on defense. He seems to see plays before they happen on both ends of the court.
I've seen a lot of players at Arizona in person... Bibby, Jefferson, Arenas, Stoudamire, Walton, etc. I remember the Sean Elliott days as well. In my mind, he's a lot closer to Elliot at that stage. Slashes, scoops, lays it up. Decent touch when shooting in that fashion. I think he has a better mid range shot than most suspect but Arizona's offense did not leverage that (and should not have... look at who we had this year, he was used right). What he does not have is that face to the basket soft touch.
Aaron is smart player that has flaws. He's not perfect by any means. But he also has tremendous upside. In my mind, his upside is a player like Scottie Pippen. That's probably the best comparison I can think of... if you can remember the younger version of Pippen. Gordon's probably a tad more athletic, but hard ot say because Pippen used to be a beast as well.
One knock I had against Aaron is that he worked a little too hard to fit into the team. He was the best player on that team and probably should have tried to be a bit more "Alpha", but the team was winning and the team chemistry was there so hard to fault him. It would have been selfish, and that's not him.
As far as competitiveness, I think Williams and Gordon are about the same. Both just have a drive to win. When the game is on the line, both of them would always come through. Aaron has the faster motor though... guy was relentless.
Aaron is a better offensive rebounder, but struggled on defensive rebounding. Again, not a 4, so I think he would actually be a very good rebounder at the 3 in the NBA. Fortunately the Jazz have good scouts and will determine if hes the right fit for us. I'm not sure that he is or is not at this point, but I would not be dissapointed if we take him.
Coach Ellis
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I grew up in central Illinois. Everyone loved Michael Jordan. . . and Jordan was awesome, but my hero was Scottie Pippen. He did so much and was a rock-star defensive player. Aaron Gordon definately reminds me of Scottie when he was younger. I think that is a great comparison. IF Gordon continues to work his *** off and grow as a player, that's his ceiling.
A player who echoes Scottie Pippen would be damn nice to have. . .
Unless Parker or Embiid fall to #5, Aaron Gordon is the guy that I want.
jazzrule
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I know we have a lot of Ute fans on this site, but I have never read anyone of them talk about Gordon going 3-for-13 from the field and missing six free throws in the regular season game against Utah. Why is that???????????????? Nothing beats watching a player play in person.
Fishsticks
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I like Gordon, but the skills you that declare he has screams Kenneth farid. I don't want that at number 5.
Sexual Favors
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If he didn't have the ability to get into a stance, the hips, feet, and knees necessary to guard 3's. If he was a 1.5" shorter. If he was quite a bit less athletic. If he was going to be 21 on draft day, instead of 18. If he was a definite and extremely undersized C and PF, as opposed to an SF who could play situational PF. Didn't have the handles. Didn't have the court vision or passing ability. Etc. Then maybe you'd have an inkling of a point.
There are lots of players who have heart, excel at rebounding, and putbacks, but there are very very few who can do all the things A. Gordon can do, and who posess his body type, and are as young as him. Your comparison just isn't an accurate one.
A. Gordon is far superior to the "Manimal". Faried's ceiling is/ was that of a two story house. Gordon's is that of the tower of babel.
I think pick #5 will come down to Vonleh and Exum.
Sexual Favors
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If Exum is there, I'd take him for sure.
5th pick big board (w/obvious assumptions of top 3 gone):
Exum
Gordon
Smart
Vonleh will be a nice player, but I'm not sure he could make this team any better. Skills overlap with current bigs, and he is raw.
Vonleh is going to be awesome. Imagine him stretching the floor for Favors.
Also, let's look at Vonleh's college teammates. They sucked. 17-15 record. The PG averaged less than 4 assists per game. Second on the team is Sheeley who averaged 1.8 assists. They weren't getting the ball to Vonleh.
And I swear to God some of you don't follow basketball. To compare Vonleh to Favors is so moronic. Favors can't stretch the floor and Vonleh is a much better ball handler.
Vonleh is going to be similar to Kevin Love - though Vonleh will be a better defender.
Gordon is a good defender and will run the floor like a fiend - he reminds me of Noah. I would rather have him than Randle but having PF who plays defense and can stretch the floor is too good to pass up.
Also, let's look at Vonleh's college teammates. They sucked. 17-15 record. The PG averaged less than 4 assists per game. Second on the team is Sheeley who averaged 1.8 assists. They weren't getting the ball to Vonleh.
And I swear to God some of you don't follow basketball. To compare Vonleh to Favors is so moronic. Favors can't stretch the floor and Vonleh is a much better ball handler.
Vonleh is going to be similar to Kevin Love - though Vonleh will be a better defender.
Gordon is a good defender and will run the floor like a fiend - he reminds me of Noah. I would rather have him than Randle but having PF who plays defense and can stretch the floor is too good to pass up.
MVP
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None of these undersized PF's with long wingspans who were predicted to be defensive force ( Diogu, Udoh, Byombo, etc) panned out except of B.Wallace. What are the chance that Wonleh will be the one? 7'4 wingspan or not he will not be able to defend true 7 footers, same as Favors is struggling to do it. If we go big we need Embiid, since it is not possible we should get Gordon, at least we will have elite defender at wing spot.
Jazz4ever
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Guarding SFs is certainly one of Gordon's selling points but you need more. Chris Singleton was an athletic defensive monster in college with PF size that projected to guard SFs. Well ya he can guard them in the NBA, but is a borderline bust that gets about 10 minutes a game because he just isn't an offensive threat.
per DX:
While Florida State combo-forward Chris Singleton will likely not receive any votes for ACC Player of the Year this season, there are few players in the country with his physical tools and NBA potential. Since arriving at Florida State, Singleton has been an equally frustrating and tantalizing player, capable of dominating one game and struggling badly the next. His boom or bust style complicates his NBA draft stock and is definitely worth watching as this season progresses. That said, there is no denying Singleton's potential.
At 6'8 with a NBA-ready frame, Singleton has outstanding size for an NBA small forward and, while he is a bit undersized for a power forward, he has great length to compensate. As we have mentioned before, his athleticism is outstanding, boasting NBA-caliber quickness, explosiveness, and fluidity. It is needless to say that Singleton looks the part, which makes his struggles at the collegiate level all the more frustrating.
Defensively, Singleton remains one of the most versatile players in all of college basketball. His athleticism, length and strength allow him to make a huge impact all over the floor, and you'll regularly see him switch between guards and big men over the course of a single game and at times a single possession.
Fortunately there is a lot more. Gordon does have nice aggressive offensive game. Leads to a lot of layups and dunks.
Fishsticks
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And your opinion of him is super inflated as always which is never a surprise.
MVP
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Dude Singleton has nothing on Gordon. Gordon has great IQ, passing ability and ball handling skills. Singleton had nothing like that.