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There is no situation where the U.S. military as a single unified block would be at war with U.S. civilians as a single unified block.

So the arguments here are irrelevant.
Of course the whole thing is silly and Biden didn't say anything about threatening to nuke the civilian population, but as thought exercise I think people underestimate how much of the US Military might comes from the industrial base standing behind it.
 
Of course the whole thing is silly and Biden didn't say anything about threatening to nuke the civilian population, but as thought exercise I think people underestimate how much of the US Military might comes from the industrial base standing behind it.
Then civilians don't even need guns. We just need to not give guns, food, etc to the military right?

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What are you talking about brick head?

Have we not been in that country for almost 20 years? What have we got brick head besides cheep opium for big pharma and a bunch of damn Oxy addicts? Did we "Win" anything walnut brain?
Nobody is saying we won anything, funny coming from a person who sounds like a Trump or Republican but do you really think that if the US Military used all that they have it wouldn't have turned out differently. Granted the Taliban are great fighters who have been fighting their whole lives on their home turf. This is the major difference between what happened in Afghanistan and what would happen if the militia tried to take over the country. You do not have home field advantage.
The civilians could do that too. All of the factories that make those bombs, tanks, and planes aren't military facilities. The fuel that powers them isn't from military wells. The bullets they shoot flow from civilian assembly lines.

The civilians side wouldn't immediately need military hardware. There are fields full of mothballed jetliners that could be made flyable in days. Imagine several hundred Boeing 707, 727, 747s, and similar 1970's/1980's airliners loaded to capacity with tons of high explosives flown by remote control into bases. All of that would take place while the weapons factories spun up to full capacity making the latest and greatest weapons on earth for the civilian forces.

The 300 million who wouldn't fight don't have to. They just have to do all the things the make our economy hum as they do now. In that scenario, it is the military that would be like trapped rats with no more food coming in, no more arms coming in, no more fuel coming in, no water coming in, all of the power lines cut, and completely surrounded as their adversaries got stronger by the minute.
I guess you must still play with green army men and make up these scenarios as a way to entertain yourself. Hilarious stuff thanks for a good laugh.
 
There is no situation where the U.S. military as a single unified block would be at war with U.S. civilians as a single unified block.

So the arguments here are irrelevant.
Although, I think Tucker and Fox News are attempting to undermine this. They’re insulting the military’s “woke” Leadership in an attempt to split the military into two groups, the “cuck PC RINO woke libtard” Gen Milley group loyal to that fake president sleepy creepy uncle pedo Joe Biden. and the “true Patriot MAGA build the wall lock her up save the children” Michael Flynn loyal to the one and only great leader whose piss heals wounds group.

I wonder actually if this is a pretty good strategy? if there’s one thing Trump and Fox News is good at, it’s dividing people. I can’t imagine this is good for the armed forces.
 
I guess you must still play with green army men and make up these scenarios as a way to entertain yourself. Hilarious stuff thanks for a good laugh.
I never had green army men, but I don’t know how anyone doesn’t like to pick ideas up and play with them. That is not how I’m built. I’m glad you find it as entertaining as I do.
 
Although, I think Tucker and Fox News are attempting to undermine this. They’re insulting the military’s “woke” Leadership in an attempt to split the military into two groups, the “cuck PC RINO woke libtard” Gen Milley group loyal to that fake president sleepy creepy uncle pedo Joe Biden. and the “true Patriot MAGA build the wall lock her up save the children” Michael Flynn loyal to the one and only great leader whose piss heals wounds group.

I wonder actually if this is a pretty good strategy? if there’s one thing Trump and Fox News is good at, it’s dividing people. I can’t imagine this is good for the armed forces.
The armed forces of the U.S. is made up of 1.4 million individuals (quick google search for that number). They not only come from every nook and cranny of the United States, but also include people who are using military service as a path to citizenship.

Every person in the military makes a pledge to the U.S. Constitution. There is no pledge given to the President of the United States, or to high ranking military officials, or to a political party.

Many people join the U.S. military as a means of escaping poverty. Some do it to escape from their small town and their family (both of my parents joined the U.S. Army during the later stages of the Vietnam War for this reason primarily). Some do it out of a sense of patriotism (to what? they themselves probably don't know, like me when I joined the Navy). Some have a fantasy of war and heroism and expect the military to be a big amazing adventure, which they will almost certainly become disappointed in.

There are many types of jobs people do in the military. Many if not most are not particularly combat related.

Anyway, the military and the people who serve in uniform are not one thing. 1.4 million individuals with varying levels of loyalty to the military, to their families, to their communities, to their political parties, to their religions, to their own self interests are serving in the military right now. If there was an order to subjugate the American people a very significant portion of the military would not follow that order. I never would have and I was pretty ****ing gung-ho when I was in.
 
Yes, but he doesn't quote any. The average defender of capitalism certainly doesn't say that, and any who do should be ridiculed just as Kendi should be ridiculed for incorporating something so ridiculous into his construct. The premise is intrinsically stupid and you don't get away with making a thing unstupid by saying other stupid people say the thing.
Honestly, if you've never heard conservatives say that ideas like providing a safety net for all people, preventing monopolies, strengthening weak unions, weakening exploitative owners, protecting consumers, workers, and environments from big business, taxing the richest more than the middle class, redistributing pilfered wealth, guaranteeing basic incomes, trying to end poverty and removing the profit motive from essential life sectors like education, healthcare, utilities, mass media, and incarceration are anti-business, etc., I don't know what you have been listening to.

The 2+2=5 postmodernism that Kendi engages in is incredibly destructive because it strips us of common language.
1) Language changes depending on the context. When you are engaging in a post-modernist-style recontextualization, the language changes. The 2 + 2 = 5 illustrations were examples of the importance of context.
2) It's very difficult to take this complaint seriously from the same poster that is making accusations of Marxism without being able to point out a single instance of support of Marxism. Are you even aware that Marxism is the type of modernist view of the world that post-modernism seeks to show is invalid?

We don't fight when we can talk things out. Making it harder for people of different opinions to communicate through this sort of abstraction is not a good thing and if for nothing else, Kendi should be condemned for that.
I don't see any lack of effort to communicate on Kendi's part. Mostly, I see obstructions, far-reaching misinterpretations, and deliberate misuse on the part of those in opposition.
 
Honestly, if you've never heard conservatives say that ideas like providing a safety net for all people, preventing monopolies, strengthening weak unions, weakening exploitative owners, protecting consumers, workers, and environments from big business, taxing the richest more than the middle class, redistributing pilfered wealth, guaranteeing basic incomes, trying to end poverty and removing the profit motive from essential life sectors like education, healthcare, utilities, mass media, and incarceration are anti-business, etc., I don't know what you have been listening to.
With the possible exception of UBI (and even that is not a slam dunk), every one of those is not Marxism. Everyone using Marxism to describe those things doesn't know what they are talking about. I've never said that those who count themselves on the political right are without their fair share of those who speak steadfast opinions on topics they don't grasp but it is a mistake to let people who muddy language through inept understanding or malicious intent to control the conversation.

I don't see any lack of effort to communicate on Kendi's part.
That is what you've said. You say that he is perfectly understandable, so please give me your interpretation of Kendi's definition of capitalism. I don't want a cut-and-pasted quote. I don't want examples of this situation being capitalism or that situation being capitalism. I want a definition. I want your understanding of Kendi's understanding of what capitalism is.

Here is an example of Kendi using capitalism in a sentence: "To love capitalism is to end up loving racism." You say that you understand Kendi, so tell me in your words how he defines capitalism.

cap·i·tal·ism
/ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
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With the possible exception of UBI (and even that is not a slam dunk), every one of those is not Marxism. Everyone using Marxism to describe those things doesn't know what they are talking about. I've never said that those who count themselves on the political right are without their fair share of those who speak steadfast opinions on topics they don't grasp but it is a mistake to let people who muddy language through inept understanding or malicious intent to control the conversation.
I agree completely.

Thus, my confusion when you say Kendri supports Marxist notions, when He makes it clear this is what he is discussing.

Here is an example of Kendi using capitalism in a sentence: "To love capitalism is to end up loving racism." You say that you understand Kendi, so tell me in your words how he defines capitalism.

cap·i·tal·ism
/ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
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Again, it was right there in post #22:
... the freedom to exploit people into economic ruin; the freedom to assassinate unions; the freedom to prey on unprotected consumers, workers, and environments; the freedom to value quarterly profits over climate change; the freedom to undermine small businesses and cushion corporations; the freedom from competition; the freedom not to pay taxes; the freedom to heave the tax burden onto the middle and lower classes; the freedom to commodify everything and everyone; the freedom to keep poor people poor and middle-income people struggling to stay middle income, and make rich people richer.
Is there something there you have having trouble understanding?
 
Is there something there you have having trouble understanding?
Yes, because capitalism isn't a word that Kendi made up. It has a definition. Can you find any reputable source that agrees with the definition for capitalism you just gave?
  • Oxford: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
  • Wikipedia: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
  • Investopedia: Capitalism is an economic system in which private individuals or businesses own capital goods.
  • Merriam-Webster: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
  • Macmillan: economic system where property is owned by individuals.
I simply don't believe Kendi has such an unfortunate intellect that he doesn't know what capitalism is. I believe that Kendi knows exactly what capitalism is and said what he meant, then set about muddying his language to make his radical statement more acceptable to the impressionable. I know what capitalism is and I believe you do too.
 
Yes, because capitalism isn't a word that Kendi made up. It has a definition. Can you find any reputable source that agrees with the definition for capitalism you just gave?
  • Oxford: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
  • Wikipedia: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
  • Investopedia: Capitalism is an economic system in which private individuals or businesses own capital goods.
  • Merriam-Webster: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
  • Macmillan: economic system where property is owned by individuals.
I simply don't believe Kendi has such an unfortunate intellect that he doesn't know what capitalism is. I believe that Kendi knows exactly what capitalism is and said what he meant, then set about muddying his language to make his radical statement more acceptable to the impressionable. I know what capitalism is and I believe you do too.
I fully agree Kendi's definition is by no means complete. However, if you look at the rhetoric of the Rand Pauls and Ted Cruzes, capitalism absolutely includes all the items Kendi states. So, let me ask you: what did Kendi say about capitalism that you think if not true? What did he attribute to capitalism that is you think is not a part of capitalism in practice?
 
I fully agree Kendi's definition is by no means complete. However, if you look at the rhetoric of the Rand Pauls and Ted Cruzes, capitalism absolutely includes all the items Kendi states. So, let me ask you: what did Kendi say about capitalism that you think if not true? What did he attribute to capitalism that is you think is not a part of capitalism in practice?
All of it is wrong. Capitalism is an economic concept while freedoms are a political concept. It may be possible to have some of those political freedoms in a capitalist economy but that is not the same thing as saying those political freedoms are the definition of a capitalist economy.
 
All of it is wrong. Capitalism is an economic concept while freedoms are a political concept. It may be possible to have some of those political freedoms in a capitalist economy but that is not the same thing as saying those political freedoms are the definition of a capitalist economy.
You think economics and politics are easily separable things?

At any rate, just to clear, you think there can be capitalism free from worker exploitation, which supports strong unions, where preying on the unsuspecting public is disallowed, where profits are expected to be deemphasized in favor of environmental concerns, where small businesses are protected and larger corporations are not, were competition is assured, where taxes are kept at rates needed to give societal support, where the primary tax burden is on the wealthy, where some things (like schools and prisons) are too important to commodify, where there is a large degree of economic mobility? Has this happened in any location you can name? (Answering the US here is laughable, just so you know).
 
You think economics and politics are easily separable things?

At any rate, just to clear, you think there can be capitalism free from worker exploitation, which supports strong unions, where preying on the unsuspecting public is disallowed, where profits are expected to be deemphasized in favor of environmental concerns, where small businesses are protected and larger corporations are not, were competition is assured, where taxes are kept at rates needed to give societal support, where the primary tax burden is on the wealthy, where some things (like schools and prisons) are too important to commodify, where there is a large degree of economic mobility? Has this happened in any location you can name? (Answering the US here is laughable, just so you know).
Hypothetically, capitalism can absolutely work with every item on that list. There is nothing preventing private property rights coexisting with any of those things. Bits and pieces of each have been adopted by various governments at various times. The entire collection has never been adopted but it isn’t because it is impossible but rather it is because no society has chosen to do it. In reality, many of those things are antagonistic to economic growth and people tend to vote out political leaders whose policies cause the economy to stagnate. The problem with achieving your list isn’t limitations built into capitalism but rather democracy combined with people thinking equity is good but the new iPhone is way better.
 
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So you were saying that Afghanistan and Vietnam show that our civilians could beat our military like I thought.

Thing is Afghanistan didn't beat our military. How many US military personell died in Afghanistan? How many of their people died.
Vietnam used their millatary rather than their civilians and still suffered more casualties.



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Vietnam also used the Chinese army.
 
Hypothetically, capitalism can absolutely work with every item on that list. There is nothing preventing private property rights coexisting with any of those things. Bits and pieces of each have been adopted by various governments at various times. The entire collection has never been adopted but it isn’t because it is impossible but rather it is because no society has chosen to do it. In reality, many of those things are antagonistic to economic growth and people tend to vote out political leaders whose policies cause the economy to stagnate. The problem with achieving your list isn’t limitations built into capitalism but rather democracy combined with people thinking equity is good but the new iPhone is way better.
I wonder if you noticed the self-contradiction in what you typed.

In any case, Kendi is not discussing hypotheticals, but what actually happens in the US. Naturally if you change the context away from Kendi's, you change the meaning of the words.
 
This thread made me google GQP as I had never heard that term before.

Q-Anon is some goofy **** much like Flat Earthers, Scientology and other areas. I think these conspiracy theories and abstract ideas would be a bit more acceptable when it's just one little part that they question, but they build on that with so much more BS of even greater BS-mass that I have no choice but to consider them idiots.
 
I wonder if you noticed the self-contradiction in what you typed.

In any case, Kendi is not discussing hypotheticals, but what actually happens in the US. Naturally if you change the context away from Kendi's, you change the meaning of the words.
Not at all. Kendi was writing that he is anticapitalist, not anti-American. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but if you think he meant "anti-American" I don't have a strong argument against that interpretation.
 
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