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Grantland Article on Jefferson & Bobcats

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franklin

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Don't miss Lowe's footnotes. Some good Jazz related stuff in them.

Jefferson is confident he can be better, and working within a more consistent scheme might help him. The Jazz were constantly asking their bigs to do different things against the pick-and-roll, switching almost possession-by-possession from schemes in which Jefferson hung back around the foul line to strategies that demanded he lunge to contain the ball handler 30 feet from the rim.
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efferson might manage better in a system that allows him to hang closer to the paint on nearly every pick-and-roll, similar to how the Pacers and Bulls use Roy Hibbert and Joakim Noah, respectively.
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I found this interesting, then looked up the PPP for Noah and Hibbert. As expected, great post defense translates into poor p&r defense from them.



https://www.grantland.com/story/_/i...michael-kidd-gilchrist-charlotte-bobcats-plan
 
So it was the coach's fault AJ has crappy defense. Plausible.
 
^weak sauce


You realize why this works in Chicago right? It's not fool proof in the least, which is why nearly every other team doesn't use it. Try it against San Antonio and they'll throw their famous double screens, or Parker dribble and re-screen, or Duncan slip the screen, or set it up on the wing so you can't force left, or attack Jefferson straight on, or stagger a p&r with Ginobili... and you're done. Do it against Chris Paul and he'll gladly rove back towards the right and into the lane, throwing lobs or hitting cutters...


The reason p&r d sucked had everything to do with running Jefferson alongside the league worst defending (by far) starting point guard. Using that to pound the Corbin hate drums with is beyond silly.
 
franklin said:
^weak sauce


You realize why this works in Chicago right? It's not fool proof in the least, which is why nearly every other team doesn't use it. Try it against San Antonio and they'll throw their famous double screens, or Parker dribble and re-screen, or Duncan slip the screen, or set it up on the wing so you can't force left, or attack Jefferson straight on, or stagger a p&r with Ginobili... and you're done. Do it against Chris Paul and he'll gladly rove back towards the right and into the lane, throwing lobs or hitting cutters...


The reason p&r d sucked had everything to do with running Jefferson alongside the league worst defending (by far) starting point guard. Using that to pound the Corbin hate drums with is beyond silly.
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Who decided to play that league worst defending (by far) starting point guard and jefferson at the same time? Just sayin.

And do understand he didn't have a lot of options
 
franklin said:
^weak sauce


You realize why this works in Chicago right? It's not fool proof in the least, which is why nearly every other team doesn't use it. Try it against San Antonio and they'll throw their famous double screens, or Parker dribble and re-screen, or Duncan slip the screen, or set it up on the wing so you can't force left, or attack Jefferson straight on, or stagger a p&r with Ginobili... and you're done. Do it against Chris Paul and he'll gladly rove back towards the right and into the lane, throwing lobs or hitting cutters...


The reason p&r d sucked had everything to do with running Jefferson alongside the league worst defending (by far) starting point guard. Using that to pound the Corbin hate drums with is beyond silly.
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You are the one who highlighted the part about the Jazz asking their bigs to do different things every time. Sounds like coaching to me. Stop beating the drum then accusing others of beating it instead. I said it was plausible, and you highlighted it. If that wasn't your point try making a coherent point for once. We cannot see wink wink nudge nudge on the internet.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You are the one who highlighted the part about the Jazz asking their bigs to do different things every time. Sounds like coaching to me. Stop beating the drum then accusing others of beating it instead. I said it was plausible, and you highlighted it. If that wasn't your point try making a coherent point for once. We cannot see wink wink nudge nudge on the internet.
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I don't recall making a point, lemme check back. Nope, no point made.

FWIW, I bolded that part because I thought it was interesting that Corbin tried several approaches to solving the p&r nightmare, according to Lowe at least.
 
Interesting that the Jazz encouraged Al to 'find something to do' in his hotel room as opposed to partying while on the road. Did he take up scrap booking or something?

Jefferson also talks about how he knew all year the Jazz wouldn't resign him because Favors and Kanter "are the truth!."

Hope the guy lands on a contender some day.
 
I thought it was interesting that Lowe mention us as likely having 5 or 6 good players but no top 20 players.
 
"Charlotte could have been terrible again, and hoarded more than $10 million in cap space to use at the trade deadline as a third-party trade facilitator or a dumping ground for unwanted salary. The Sixers want an unprotected first-round pick in order to absorb your dead money? Slap top-10 protection on that bad boy for a year or two, and we'll happily take your sunk cost! Plop another future asset in the basket and we'll eventually use it to either nail a high draft pick or bundle it in a trade for a disgruntled star — the tactics everyone seems to agree are necessary for this team to reach 55 wins in the next decade. The path was staring them in the face, and waving at them in the rearview mirror. "Of course, we had discussions about those options," Higgins says. "We could have just sat on that money. But we've had a lot of losses over the last two years. We've gotten to the point now where we just want to compete. We have to send that message to our fans.""
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So Charlotte panics because they've been such losers over the past several years and the lottery has been a bit unkind to them. Higgins is squarely in the hot seat and is desperate to do something to justify his job. Meanwhile, the Jazz have a history of fighting for the playoffs. They've built up enough goodwill to see the team through a terrible season in PRECISELY the year the Jazz NEED to be bad. And that, my friends, is the difference between a team that will regret a decision to build around Jefferson and the team expertly managed by Dennis Lindsey and KOC.

Charlotte will NOT make the playoffs. They'll likely land in the late lottery and still pick up a nice player, but not all-star caliber...unless they hit on that 3-5% chance of moving into the top-3. Frankly, I like a 20% chance at a top-3 star and almost assured chance of getting a true impact player by finishing with the 5th or 6th worst record.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Who decided to play that league worst defending (by far) starting point guard and jefferson at the same time? Just sayin.

And do understand he didn't have a lot of options
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You know the answer to that is that Favors is a pretty bad p&r defender (so far), especially when Mo does dumb stuff.

There's some WTF from both players in this video at the 2:00 mark, but forget that and check out the adjustment to the Jeffy post that ma boi Corbin makes at 1:22 by flashing Favors for the high iso to drag Gasol out of the lane and put him in no mans land against Favors mano a mano. The previous same possession horns play has a very nice pic set by Hayward too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfSX99xf34Y
 
Core4 said:
So Charlotte panics because they've been such losers over the past several years and the lottery has been a bit unkind to them. Higgins is squarely in the hot seat and is desperate to do something to justify his job. Meanwhile, the Jazz have a history of fighting for the playoffs. They've built up enough goodwill to see the team through a terrible season in PRECISELY the year the Jazz NEED to be bad. And that, my friends, is the difference between a team that will regret a decision to build around Jefferson and the team expertly managed by Dennis Lindsey and KOC.

Charlotte will NOT make the playoffs. They'll likely land in the late lottery and still pick up a nice player, but not all-star caliber...unless they hit on that 3-5% chance of moving into the top-3. Frankly, I like a 20% chance at a top-3 star and almost assured chance of getting a true impact player by finishing with the 5th or 6th worst record.
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This.



What a dumpster fire Charlotte is..
 
franklin said:
I don't recall making a point, lemme check back. Nope, no point made.

FWIW, I bolded that part because I thought it was interesting that Corbin tried several approaches to solving the p&r nightmare, according to Lowe at least.
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See now that's a coherent point. I knew you could do it!


Anyway, that is one way to look at it. Another way is that maybe Corbin changed things up when he didn't need to. He could have been creating confusion among his players rather than sticking to a particular tactic or technique until they understood and could execute it. Sloan always wanted his players to go over the top of the screen in the P&R, to fight through it, rather than go under it and allow an uncontested shot. It wasn't always in every circumstance the best strategy, but it was one they could understand and reliably execute, so it was fairly effective. Corbin needs to focus on consistency rather than tweaking in every game, or in his case just throwing **** at the wall until something sticks.
 
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