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Graphic video released of police killing another black man in cold blood

What we need is the police to gun down a white NRA member while open carrying. That would get the vocal right on this board up in their pansies. Our second amendment rights and other similar ********

Are you kidding me? This goes to show that you are not paying any attention, none, to what's actually being said by most of us.
 
you gotta admit this country is kinda retarded. only in america this kinda stuff every other damn day. so sick of it. next time i see a cop, i'll raise my both hands and take my clothes off to show him i'm not armed
 
Just saw a reporter mention this: Cop who shot and killed John Crawford in Walmart was not indicted. Had he shot a deer without a license then, yes, that would've been an indictment.

What a joke of a country. Perhaps we just need a black cop to gun down and murder a white NRA member like another poster said to get real reform on priorities.
 
OK, I am out of this thread. It has gone from actual discussion to wishing harm on innocents, blanket hate and personal attacks.

Disgusting.
 
Maybe we should dress our cops up in skirts and kid gloves. Take away their guns. Make them be nice to people. Tell them they can't touch anyone. And if they make a mistake, they will be executed.

Cause that will handle all the gang bangers, methhead thieves, crazy people, murderers, etc..


There isnt real violence in the world. Bad people don't exist. The government is trying to put us in concentration camps. It's the cops and government that we should fear.

How about hold them accountable for mistakes they make and give them the proper training to respond coherently to extreme (percieved or real) situations they encounter...
Hack has made many good points in this thread, but Dodo wins this particular exchange by a landslide.
 
Just saw a reporter mention this: Cop who shot and killed John Crawford in Walmart was not indicted. Had he shot a deer without a license then, yes, that would've been an indictment.

What a joke of a country. Perhaps we just need a black cop to gun down and murder a white NRA member like another poster said to get real reform on priorities.

I didn't know you could get a license to shoot a black guy in a walmart.

The one has nothing to do with the other. Dumb statement.
 
I didn't know you could get a license to shoot a black guy in a walmart.

The one has nothing to do with the other. Dumb statement.

The point is that man shoots and kills another man - no arrest; man shoots and kills a deer without license - arrest....

You that dense to not be able to put that one together?
 
They do train for this.

They don't always get it right. People aren't perfect.

I don't want to generalize a group of people ( Blacks, Latinos, White cops, etc). All white cops aren't out there killing black people.
Not all cops are good and not all are smart, but they mostly get it right.

It just feels like this is going on all the time, but it's really not when you compare it to how big the world is and how many live on it.

Instant media content is just letting you know about it easier. With all of us connected now, it's making the world feel smaller and amplifying anything negative.
There's no doubt that this is true, but it comes off as if you are excusing the behavior we saw in these videos. I agree with the lapel cameras idea, and I have no doubt that without the video that this would have gone down very much like jimmy eat jazz predicted. It is a good thing that these videos exist and have been circulated. I think most people are likely to exercise better judgement when they know their actions are being recorded.

Personally, I have great respect for policemen, but I think we have the right to hold them to a very high standard.
 
The point is that man shoots and kills another man - no arrest; man shoots and kills a deer without license - arrest....

You that dense to not be able to put that one together?

You calling me dense, rofl.

Drunk driver runs into a deer. He gets a DUI.

Sober driver hits a minivan killing a family of five. He goes home.

Even though the instrument of death in both instances was the same one is not indicative of the response of our justice system for the other. Just because the sober driver killed a family of five rather than a deer it does not make him just as or more guilty than the drunk driver.

Regardless of the innocence or guilt of the officer involved in this shooting your analogy is silly.

You are the dense one my little pimple faced homie.
 
you gotta admit this country is kinda retarded. only in america this kinda stuff every other damn day. so sick of it. next time i see a cop, i'll raise my both hands and take my clothes off to show him i'm not armed

This is such a naive and stupid point of view.

Do really believe America is this out of control, wildly violent country as compared to others?

You really don't know anything about the world if you do. If its so bad here then why aren't you and all the other America bashers fleeing in droves out of here? I'll tell ya why, because you are full of crap and would be scared to live outside this country. There is a reason everyone is trying to get into the US and not leave it.


I really hate America bashers. No one is forcing you clowns to stay. Go ahead and leave if it's so bad. Go find out what real corruption is like.

But we know you won't because you are just full of hot air.

Now shut up and sing with me



O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![12
 
This is such a naive and stupid point of view.

Do really believe America is this out of control, wildly violent country as compared to others?

You really don't know anything about the world if you do. If its so bad here then why aren't you and all the other America bashers fleeing in droves out of here? I'll tell ya why, because you are full of crap and would be scared to live outside this country. There is a reason everyone is trying to get into the US and not leave it.


I really hate America bashers. No one is forcing you clowns to stay. Go ahead and leave if it's so bad. Go find out what real corruption is like.

But we know you won't because you are just full of hot air.

Now shut up and sing with me



O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![12
Four verses? I completely agree with your take on America and I find the American bashing completely idiotic as well... but four verses? I've never sung all four verses.

(I'll bet you haven't either.)
 
Trying to get away?

Seriously, watch the video.

I did, and I just wen back and re-watched it. I don't see him going for a gun. I do see him slipping while trying to get away.

Also, my understanding is that while on the phone with his girlfriend, (her words) she hears her boyfriend say "it's not real", right before he is shot. That tells me, he understands he is being confronted by cops. If he says "it's not real", then he understands what the situation is about. Therefore he should be smart enough to not make any stupid moves towards said gun. Especially after you have already been hit once.

You argue below that he knew the gun was not real. What sort of cognitive dissonance does it require to simultaneously claim that the victim knew the gun was not real, and was reaching for the gun to protect himself? Do you really need to justify the shooting so much that you are willing to throw any sort of internal consistency out the window?

I'm not saying he was doing anything wrong. I'm just saying he is stupid for behaving the way he did. No, it's not illegal to be stupid, but natural selection will have its say.

So, you are as ignorant about natural selection as you are wrong about behavior.

Put the gun in a basket because you should know what you are carrying and what it looks like to other people possibly. It's called thinking outside the box. Again, it's not illegal to be stupid.

So, you have no problem with anyone who is carrying a gun being shot by police?

Go get a toy gun that looks like the real thing and start waving it around where cops can see you. Then when you are confronted, argue with the cops and be defiant, then make a sudden suspicious move with your gun. Like hurry and raise it and point it at the cops.

In other words, do stuff that we have no evidence Crawford did?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/363...-of-john-crawford-could-become-ohios-ferguson

And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.

Shoot the man first, then give instructions, because that's soooooo likely to induce rational behavior.

I know that you have decided the police were justified, and will see the evidence that way, regardless. All I can do is point out how that version does not fit the facts.
 
It was actually hyperbolic ridicule and scorn of a ridiculously one sided and biased opinion. I haven't commented on this topic because we are traveling and I haven't had a chance to watch the video or read about it.

If you had not watched the video or read about the incident, how did you know that, in this case, the opinion was one-sided and biased, as opposed to accurate-but-emotional?
 
Does anyone here actually watch videos of people getting murder on the internet?

I know a lot of people do, but I can never bring myself, or have any desire to, click on those kind of links.
 
Does anyone here actually watch videos of people getting murder on the internet?

I know a lot of people do, but I can never bring myself, or have any desire to, click on those kind of links.

I never watch those beheading videos. No thanks.
 
Race can play a factor. But when race is used as the end all be all in why things happen it is more indicative of that own persons bias then anything else. Yes it plays a part but it is only a part and not the whole.

I agree that the militarization of the police is just a large a part of the problem.
 
That's my problem with this story. Everyone wants to blame the cops and say what they did was racist. I say if you want to blame somebody, blame the stupid 911 caller.

I think both. Also, blame the general change in police culture over the last 30 years.
 
I agree that the militarization of the police is just a large a part of the problem.

I agree that it is part of the problem as well. But still only part. There are several reasons, some we agree on and some we probably don't.
 
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