Marty McFly
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My roommate spotted Al Harrington and another dude at the Malt Shop in Provo today. Although I'm not sure I trust any Provo resident when it comes to identifying black people
Great move by KOC, whats next?
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Kenwood, first of all, it's highly doubtful the Jazz gave up everything for Al. Second of all, the reason why the Jazz are in a situation where their hands are tied comes down to AK. Dude has a max contract but is putting up numbers that justify a contract about half of what he has. Because of AK they don't have any flexiblity, even if the Jazz gave up all those assets, they would be hard pressed to use any of them without moving AK because of LT concerns.
Captain Keefe
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Good article Kenwood. I agree on several points. I truly believe Al's stats will increase in a Jazz uniform. It excites me to see him paired with Deron.
What opportunity cost? As if the Jazz were going to use these TPEs. Look, it's extremely rare to get an opportunity to get a center capable of 20-10 numbers with a couple of blocks to boot. What do you think all this opportunity cost really is? A couple of average players? Instead we got a guy, who can be a star. And the only reason he was available for a draft choice is because he had an injury a year ago and last season was not as great. But that's the thing though: buy low. Yes, there is a risk involved here - because of injury. But Jefferson is 25 years old and already played all year on it. His best years are likely ahead of him. I would have liked to keep Booz, but between the two, I want to give Al a shot. Al is big and athletic enough to play C. That means we can start him and Millsap together, thus giving Paul an opportunity to replace Boozer, with Al replacing Okur. We have 2 20-10 guys potentially in a starting line-up for DWill to give the ball to. This is something we could not have with Boozer here. So, no I am not going to sit here and say that we could have used lesser TPEs for some OK players. We got the best guy we could, and that's all we can ask for.
breezy
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i got on facebook just barely to post about the al jefferson trade.. then i saw CJ's status as "gone...."
idk if its because he is traded or because he wants to sleep... we need CJ!!!! taking al jefferson for booz and miles is NOT WORTH it. CJ was very important to us in the playoffs and when i think he is finally showing what he can do... he BETTER not be involved in this trade..
idk if its because he is traded or because he wants to sleep... we need CJ!!!! taking al jefferson for booz and miles is NOT WORTH it. CJ was very important to us in the playoffs and when i think he is finally showing what he can do... he BETTER not be involved in this trade..
Stifle Tower
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Jazz weren't going to use all of the assets. The Boozer TPE = AK's expiring. Probably going to use one or the other. The Harpring TPE = the MLE. Again, only financially viable to use one or the other. But having the flexibility to take on Jefferson's salary WITHOUT giving anything back is what sealed the deal for Utah over Dallas. Now giving up 2 additional draft picks IS a valid argument. Seems pretty high to me. Minny must have threatened to go Cuban on us.
In essence, the way I see it is we traded Boozer + two late firsts for Jefferson. Is that too much? Maybe. But Al can play the 5, Boozer really can't. And we're on the hook for 3 fewer years for Al over what it probably would have taken to sign Carlos (an additional year at $17M).
Jazz4ever
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Ya we need CJ, would defenitely prefer to give them the Memphis pick over CJ. I think he's just sleeping though.
Jazz4ever
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Would probably have to start with DWill, Mayo is one of the best pure shooting guards already and just 22.
breezy
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i REALLY like his versatility as player, he can drive, finish, shoot (even though stricky), underrated passer, has potential on defense. he became one of my fav player during the playoffs last season... if the jazz traded him ill be devastated and the jazz made a bad move to give up THAT much
Twin Towers
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Jazz should trade AK to the Nets or the Knicks for a trade exception.
Than Jazz should Match Matthews Contract.
Resign Fesenko
Sign Matt Barnes
Sign Earl Watson (Don't really care which free agent we sign)
D-Will - Watson - Price
Matthews - Hayward
Miles - Barnes
Millsap - Koufos - Evans
Jefferson - Okur - Fesenko
Than Jazz should Match Matthews Contract.
Resign Fesenko
Sign Matt Barnes
Sign Earl Watson (Don't really care which free agent we sign)
D-Will - Watson - Price
Matthews - Hayward
Miles - Barnes
Millsap - Koufos - Evans
Jefferson - Okur - Fesenko
David Stern
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Our team becomes a real contender with Al Harrington. That is a fact. I hope we split the MLE between him and Shannon Brown, and then use Brewer's TPE to bring him back.
I like signing Brown as a backup PG, but I dont like him as a SG.
breezy
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freakazoid
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Buy low? Jefferson will make 13 million this year, and then 14 and 15 in the next two years. Add that to the multiple assets we'll have to give up to get him, and it sounds like hell and gone from buying low.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Utah is looking to roll the dice, but let's not kid ourselves about this being a no brainer. As usual, Kenwood hits the nail on the head. Good stuff.
vslice02
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I'd be shocked if Miles is moved. A former starter w/playoff experience who only makes $3.7 million (plus a team option next year). His age and contract make him too valuable a player to trade with our payroll increasing this dramatically. Then we'd essentially have 2 wing slots to fill and you won't find a better replacement for Miles for that price. Can' see it happening.
Regarding the Matthwes signing... The crux is what you really need at that position.
How many 20/10 guys can you have on the team? DWill, AJ, Millsap (BTW i don't think Milsap is 20/10 with another star post in town...) The issue that makes Wes attractive to consider is if he is the right Role player. I think his Defense is great. His intensity is great, he's a closer type of guy. I do think he's Raja Bell and will be a good -maybe great role player. I was all over the 5/25 rumor, but 5/35 is difficult. I just remember in the playoffs he was one of the leaders on the team. The thing about wes is that he's exactly opposite of Korver - jack of all trades master of none (Korver had shooting only) I think Shannon Brown is same though. I really didn't like it when he came into the game as a Laker... He appears to be a suitable replacement. Can he provide the same energy and defense that Wes does? Is he a locker room gem, with some leadership/stability attributes? (and still hit threes adn throw down some dunks - the part of his game i do remember well.)
How many 20/10 guys can you have on the team? DWill, AJ, Millsap (BTW i don't think Milsap is 20/10 with another star post in town...) The issue that makes Wes attractive to consider is if he is the right Role player. I think his Defense is great. His intensity is great, he's a closer type of guy. I do think he's Raja Bell and will be a good -maybe great role player. I was all over the 5/25 rumor, but 5/35 is difficult. I just remember in the playoffs he was one of the leaders on the team. The thing about wes is that he's exactly opposite of Korver - jack of all trades master of none (Korver had shooting only) I think Shannon Brown is same though. I really didn't like it when he came into the game as a Laker... He appears to be a suitable replacement. Can he provide the same energy and defense that Wes does? Is he a locker room gem, with some leadership/stability attributes? (and still hit threes adn throw down some dunks - the part of his game i do remember well.)
vslice02
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Ironically, I like signing Brown as a SG but not as a backup PG. To me we need an actual PG to backup Deron, Shannon played SG in college and never really ran an offense. Even when he was backing up Fisher in 08-09, he just had to dribble the ball past halfcourt and pass the ball to the wing to get the Lakers into the triangle.