What's new
By:

Great move by KOC, whats next?

Piggy backing off my last post, my ideal depth chart would look like this:

PG- D-Will/Shaun Livingston/
SG-CJ/Brewer/Shannon Brown/Hayward
SF-AK/Hayward/Brewer
PF-The Pony/Memo/AK/Kosta or Amundsen?/Augustine/Al Jefferson
C-Al Jefferson/Memo/Fes

As we all know, the SG and SF are basically interchangeable in the Jazz offense. So coach Sloan will have plenty of flexibility there.

LEEEEGGOO!!
 
If we signed Barnes, I would freaking dance using my hands. Though I like Brown too. To get one of the two would be awesome.
 
Well, one thing's for sure about Shannon - when the ball touches his hands, he shoots it. One assist in 21 mins/per. And he shoot under 43%.

If Brewer is healed, I'd rather have him. He can play two positions (SG/SF). Brown is strictly a SG.
 
So, now that it's official, who do the Jazz get for the 4th wing, and do they sign Fes? If they get Shannon Brown, that also means we say bye-bye to Sundy. If we could get Brown as backup point, would that then move RP to combo guard off the bench, or do we still go for Brewer? And what about Fes?

Possible Roster:

DWill/Brown/Price
CJ/Hayward/Brewer
AK/Brewer/Hayward
Millsap/AK/Kosta/Evans
Jefferson/Okur/Fes/Kosta
 
The Jazz should just continue their re-uniting ways and bring back Brewer and Amundson.
 
I am excited and approve of this deal but we did not steal AJ. From last seasons team, we traded Boozer, Ronnie Brewer and a #1 and a #2 in order to acquire him.
 
breezy said:
no i would rather have ak than harrington. we would get better on offense, but if we trade away ak and if we dont have matthews, we have no defensive presense anywhere in this team
Click to expand...

At least Harrington brings toughness though. Something this team is seriously short on. Jefferson helps because he's tougher than Mr charmin but Harrington helps even more.
 
breezy said:
brown is in different level than brewer. have you looked at his highlights on youtube? and now that we lost our possibly two best 3pt shooting threats in matthews and korver, we desperately need a shooter. browns ability to shoot makes me lean towards signing brown rather than brewer
Click to expand...

Did you really just call Mathews one of our 2 best 3 pt shooter's? Seriously?
 
OK w/ the acquisition of Jefferson, its highly unlikely that the Jazz retain Matthews… Also, seeing how ownership took on salary for the next 3 years, I don’t see them trading AK to for a player who’s contract extends past this. The only way I can see them adding another top player (ie, Harrington) is if they can flip Memo or Millsap for that player or for a TPE.

I only wish KOC had consulted me before finalizing the Jefferson trade cause I had this sweet idea (Chandler over Harrington)….

1) ~17M in TPE (via Boozer-Brewer-Manor), MEM '11 1st (conditional), & UTA '12 1st (conditional) for Al Jefferson & Ramon Sessions
2) Memo & Sessions for Tyson Chandler (i/o them getting Calderon) !!!!!
3) Sign everyone's favorite Lil Brother (just to appease DWill), Ronnie Brewer

Our 2010-11 Championship Lineup:
- DWill (36) / Price (10) / Gaines (x)
- Brewer (26) / Hayward (24) / Jeffers (x)
- CJ (28) / AK (28)
- Jefferson (34) / Millsap (28) / Evans (x)
- Chandler (26) / KoKo (x) / Fes (x)

Approx committed salary for ’11 (excluding Brewer/Gaines/Fes/Jeffers) = $73.45 (add ~6-7M for those 4 guys)
Approx committed salary for ’12 (excluding Brewer/Gaines/Fes/Jeffers) = $45.49 (AK & Tyson come off the books)

Almost the same team as last but we get younger, longer but lose 3pt range in Jefferson/Chandler/Hayward vs Boozer/Memo/Korver…


…but If we sign Harrington using out full MLE (5.765M)
- DWill (36) / Price (10) / Gaines (x)
- CJ (26) / Hayward (24) / Jeffers (x)
- Harrington (28) / AK (28)
- Jefferson (34) / Millsap (28) / Evans (x)
- Memo (26) / KoKo (x) / Fes (x)

Approx committed salary for ’11 (excluding Gaines/Fes/Jeffers) = $75.915 (add ~3-5M for those 3 guys)
Approx committed salary for ’12 (excluding Gaines/Fes/Jeffers) = $62.72(AK expires & estimating 10% increase to Harrington’s MLE)

This team looks like an offensive powerhouse but I’m not sure how they can contend defensively. I also doubt the Millers want to be way over the cap again…. Either way, I love both & I think it’s a top 3 team in the West (LAL, OKC, UTA)
 
How smart would KOC look if we got Brewer back? Seriously at that point we just traded one future first for Al Jefferson...... amazing. Probably more of a steal than the Gasol trade.
 
RocStar said:
I would love for that to happen but the Memo contract is now as bad as AK's. Even the Knicks wouldn't take that deal.(Remember Isaiah's gone) and they are hoping to land Melo.
Click to expand...

While I agree, I think with NY's desire to get someone like Melo, why not trade AK and maybe Koufus for Wilson Chandler, Turiaf, and Curry? I know Curry has a nasty contract, but it expires after this year. This point alone would mean he would be determined to come and play well. For the Knicks they get a larger expiring, along with shed a couple of contracts they don't really want. It would allow Chandler and CJ to start, give Heywood minutes. We'd still need some 2/3 men. Brewer and Harrington could be good, or perhaps use the Harpring TPE for someone like Barnes or Pietrus. Perhaps even offer it to Cleveland for Anthony Parker. I think there are loads of options.
 
My Next steps

We still need a Shooting Guard that can defend and spread the floor and a backup PG.
I have always liked Shaun Livingston. Serving his first couple of years injured killed any value he had. If we can get him for cheap - i believe the Utah system, is probably the only system, that can get him back to where he should have been when he first came into the league.
Ronnie Brewer would be welcomed back, owever I am no sure he is the best answer. His defense is alright but not spectacular and he cant spread the floor. Matt Barnes is probably the best option if we can grab him with the MLE. If not I'm not sure where else to go. I'd guess that I would just hope that Hayaord is a better defender than advertised or hope that Evans can accelerate his game, alothough I feel he is at elast a few years awa from that.

I am exceited for next year. I think this is a better team that whatwe had last year, if someone can hit the outside shot like Korver did. I will Miss Mathews, Boozer and Korver, and I hope that SLoan learned in the playoffs that he needs o get Fesenko, Koufus and other younger players involved throughout the year rather than waiting until an injury demands it.

Good Luck Jazz and Welcome Mr. Jefferson.
 
I'd re-sign Fess so we can go big like we used to with Malone and Ostertag. That's the size inside we need in the playoffs. Bring Millsap and Okur off the bench. Very solid front court.
 
This is a great trade?

Hey, can we give you a couple firsts for your albatross?

alba1.jpg
 
ekimebirt said:
I am excited and approve of this deal but we did not steal AJ. From last seasons team, we traded Boozer, Ronnie Brewer and a #1 and a #2 in order to acquire him.
Click to expand...

I don't know if steal is the right word, but we definitely bought low. I don't think you are evaluating the deal correctly. We decided to let Boozer go BEFORE any possibility of Al coming here came up, because we thought contract was too big/long for a 29 year old guy and we already have a great PF in Millsap. We traded Brewer because we could not afford him and had to shed salary LAST YEAR. So, you are simply not assessing the trade correctly. The trade is: Big Al for Memphis pick and our pick. Memphis pick may not even be actual selection as it is protected. But let's say 2 non-lottery picks for a 25 year young 20-10 center who can block shots. You think 2 non lottery picks is not buying 25 year old 20-10 center low? Come on now, let's get real here. Normally you would need a star caliber player to get a young center like that or a top 3 selection. We gave lowly 2 non-lottery picks for it. Aside from Gasol trade (which was the worst trade in NBA history, which I still can't rationalize), I can't even remember of anyone ever giving up 25 year old 20-10 center and not get a star player or top pick in return. 2 non-lottery picks is nothing for a guy of this caliber. Hell, to get Al in the first place, Wolves gave up KG!

This was a perfect example of buying low. And the reason we could buy low is because Al had injury 1.5 years ago and had a down (for him) season last year. Also because Minnesota got a steal themselves in Beasley from Miami (which had 2 hours to dump Beasley after James said he would sign and had bigger things to worry about than getting fair value back) and bolstered their front court. So, there is a reason Al's stock was low for a guy of his caliber, and there is a certain risk here. But that's the whole point of value investing, you assume a risk when it is manageable, and there is a big likelihood of reaping huge rewards. But don't think for a second that 2 non lottery picks is the intrinsic value for a 25 year old 20-10 center. We definitely bought low here, no doubt about it.
 
I don't know, if he got 21 and 11 a couple years ago before his injury, maybe he could get 24 and 11 with Deron.

Still, a frontcourt of AK, Millsap, Okur and AJ will be making about 45M this year and none of them can guard Gasol, Odom or Bynum.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top