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Greg Miller re Tanking: "It's Immoral"

Is tanking immoral?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 45.7%

  • No

    Votes: 25 54.3%
  • Total voters
    46
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I think this article was published last month but felt it's relevant to our current situation.


https://sportsnaut.com/2017/10/utah-jazz-ceo-tanking-just-immoral/


“I don’t know I’d say it’s frustrating; I’d say it’s a mindset I can’t relate to,” he said in an interview with The Tribune. “Everything about the Jazz is continuous improvement — how do we get better. It’s just who we are. Nobody in this organization would ever even think about proposing tanking. To me, it’s just immoral.”
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Is it immoral?


And if the Jazz will 'never' tank - are we just playing checkers while other teams (76ers, T'Wolves, etc) are playing chess?


Can we ever win a Championship without 'tanking' to get the best talent possible?
 
I dunno, if you're playing within the rules of the game, can it be called immoral?


Like when we signed Carlos Boozer, when he had already given his words to Cleveland that he would sign with them - was that immoral? It was within the rules and we still did it, right? We went to the Western Conference Finals on the back of that signing did we not?
 
Pretty loose definition of morality when we're talking about the richest 1% playing a ****ing game.
 
Not sure the term immoral is the correct one for him to use in this situation. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to say it would compromise the principals of the organization. My opinion is if you are already going to lose with the talent (or lack there of) that you have, it doesn't really hurt to give your end of the bench guys a chance to play a little more. Even if it results in a couple of additional losses.
 
Depends on what he means by immoral. If he means immoral because it affects the Utah Jazz facilities employees and the surrounding SLC community by willingly losing out on playoff revenue, I can somewhat understand his argument. If he is tangentially equating some kind of capitalistic idealism to morality, I would have to strongly disagree.
 
Carbon13 said:
Depends on what he means by immoral. If he means immoral because it affects the Utah Jazz facilities employees and the surrounding SLC community by willingly losing out on playoff revenue, I can somewhat understand his argument. If he is tangentially equating some kind of capitalistic idealism to morality, I would have to strongly disagree.
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I don't think it's to do with losing out on playoff revenue.. because by tanking you're re-loading with talent and you'll gonna get much more in return in the future.


Look at what the Knicks are getting in ticket sales with Porzingis. Same thing with T'Wolves and Karl Towns/Wiggins.


It surely must be to do with idealism.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I don't think it's to do with losing out on playoff revenue.. because by tanking you're re-loading with talent and you'll gonna get much more in return in the future.


Look at what the Knicks are getting in ticket sales with Porzingis. Same thing with T'Wolves and Karl Towns/Wiggins.


It surely must be to do with idealism.
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Oof. Im fine with him having whatever ideas he wants. To go as far as to equate it to morality drives me nuts. At the end of the day we should do what is best for the team, considering that tanking, to my knowledge, has no ill-effect on the community. I think this has to do with dat playoff revenue. This is the same mentality that kept Big Al and Millsap around while we were trying to develop Favors. Rather than get another great pick, we were swept in the first round by the Spurs. But hey, Gail and Greg got their playoff checks. Oh and we didnt "overdip the oreo cookie". Give me a break.
 
We get one Machiavelli survey, and now we worry about the morality of everything. lolz

It is immoral not to tank.
 
it's immoral from the standpoint that you charge fans tickets to watch your team lose, the biggest culprits of this are the 76ers.
 
yamers said:
it's immoral from the standpoint that you charge fans tickets to watch your team lose, the biggest culprits of this are the 76ers.
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But Golden State clearly (and admittedly) tanked that year to get our pick and grabbed Harrison Barnes.


They have now won 2 Championships - I doubt their fans are complaining about their ticket prices now. In fact they've got a 5 year waiting list for their season tickets.
 
Who determines morality? If you look at it from a business stand point you have to spend money to make money. So the jazz are bad for a couple years they could be realistically add 2 top 10 picks.

I am ok with that as a jazz man and no it is not immoral in my opinion.

The question comes to define tanking? To purposely list games that is tanking.

If a team trades players for assets but still plays what they have that is not tanking.

The danger teams have is to be just good enough to win the 7th ot 8th seed but not able to get top flight talent

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It's no more immoral than reducing the seating in at the Viv and increasing the prices.

It's no more immoral than letting a free agent have it both ways and missing out on Otto Porter, Jr.

It's no more immoral than fleecing the Nuggets not once, but twice in the draft.

It's no more immoral than signing Carlos Boozer after he gave his word to a blind man that he would re-sign once released from his second-round draft pick contract.

It's no more immoral than front-loading contracts to restricted free-agents.

This ******** moralizing about playing within the system constraints when it comes to the draft lottery is going to cost the Jazz a legit shot at building a contender.

Come on.
 
Magic Spray said:
It's no more immoral than reducing the seating in at the Viv and increasing the prices.

It's no more immoral than letting a free agent have it both ways and missing out on Otto Porter, Jr.

It's no more immoral than fleecing the Nuggets not once, but twice in the draft.

It's no more immoral than signing Carlos Boozer after he gave his word to a blind man that he would re-sign once released from his second-round draft pick contract.

It's no more immoral than front-loading contracts to restricted free-agents.

This ******** moralizing about playing within the system constraints when it comes to the draft lottery is going to cost the Jazz a legit shot at building a contender.

Come on.
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1. Why is reducing seating immoral? Don't studies conclusively show as the quality of the home viewing experince go up, tickets to live sporting events go down? Seems like a smart move to downsize the seating and make the available seating higher quality.

2. Otto Porter got matched on the most toxic contract imaginable offered by Brooklyn. Utah never had a shot at Otto Porter

3. What? Trades are agreed to on both sides. Unless the Nuggets are run by a mentally handicapped child, then doing trades with them is moral.

4. Blind man? Blind multi-millionaire.

5. Money has higher present day value. Front loading contracts is player friendly and very moral.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
1. Why is reducing seating immoral? Don't studies conclusively show as the quality of the home viewing experince go up, tickets to live sporting events go down? Seems like a smart move to downsize the seating and make the available seating higher quality.

2. Otto Porter got matched on the most toxic contract imaginable offered by Brooklyn. Utah never had a shot at Otto Porter

3. What? Trades are agreed to on both sides. Unless the Nuggets are run by a mentally handicapped child, then doing trades with them is moral.

4. Blind man? Blind multi-millionaire.

5. Money has higher present day value. Front loading contracts is player friendly and very moral.
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Exactly my point.

All of these activities are what stupid idiot window-lickers complain about and are no less moral than tanking the **** out of this season in order to secure a better future for the Jazz.
 
Also, if you run a business that trots out dancing girls at play breaks you have no leg to stand on when it comes to claiming that you base your business activities on some superior morality to your competitors.
 
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