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Griffin PIGS get slaughtered in LA tonight

I think it's time to just admit that griffin outclasses Millsap. No shame in this. He's one of the most talented PFs in the game. He's the closest thing to Malone as we've seen in years.

The problem is, why the hell does Jordan own Jefferson so bad?
 
gregbroncs said:
Millsap was lazy and disinterested in the 3rd quarter while having the best player to guard.
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FWIW, Al was switched onto Griffin for 2 of his 4 early 3rd quarter buckets . A third was on an offensive rebound off a pick and roll. Millsap was pretty engaged last night, and played well.
 
The Thriller said:
The most disappointing thing to me hasn't been the play of any one player but the development of our coach. When Sloan left I had hope that I'd see changes to the stubbornness to play young players, ride the hot hand, adjust during the game, and defense. Instead, we see the exact same loyalty to undeserving vets, concrete lineups and sub patterns no matter the matchup, p&r defense that makes even boozer and memo laugh, and by far the worst jazz offense I've ever seen.

If a team playing Carlos arroyo, ak, raja, and Collins can somehow run an offense and score then why does this team struggle so much to score against good teams? Seriously, if the jazz don't score in transition or if our bigs face a decent matchup inside, we flat out don't score.

Why don't we run an offense?

Where is our leader? Where is that guy holding candy asses accountable? Why doesn't our coach ever pick up a tech to try and wake up his team? When will our coach tell Marvin (Giricek style) to go to the end of the bench and b about it?

We could have the dream team here and still struggle with the coach that we have. To me, this has been the biggest disappointment. I had hope for this change when Sloan left. Instead I see many of the same deficiencies. Except they're exaggerated even worse without the leadership, passion, or offensive genius.
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it end s and start with al corbin has made him the co-captain, leads the team in minutes, leads the team in shot attempts.

but if he does not play defense how could you hold other players accountable
 
gregbroncs said:
Millsap was lazy and disinterested in the 3rd quarter while having the best player to guard. I'm not defending Al or any of the starters. They were all pathetic and that includes Millsap.
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why the **** should milsap care if the team leader is not caring and chucking his way nto oblivion.
the first qtr milsap showed who should be the go 2 guy yet second qtr al gets to go on chucking
19 fg attempted for 16 points.
even jarron collins could do that.
while providing better defense. atleast take a charge or 2 -3
how many charges has jefferson taking this season
 
Thought it might be funny to post this:

When Al and Millsap are on the court together, the Jazz have been outscored by 49 points in 1418 minutes (-1.7 per48).

When Al is on the court without Millsap, the Jazz have been outscored by 28 points in 385 minutes (-3.5 per48).

When Millsap is on the court without Al, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 77 in 284 minutes (+13.0 per48).

When neither Al nor Paul are on the court, the Jazz have been outscored by 18 in 626 minutes (-1.4 per48).
 
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GVC said:
Thought it might be funny to post this:

When Al and Millsap are on the court together, the Jazz have been outscored by 49 points in 1418 minutes (-1.7 per48).

When Al is on the court without Millsap, the Jazz have been outscored by 28 points in 385 minutes (-3.5 per48).

When Millsap is on the court without Al, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 77 in 284 minutes (+13.0 per48).
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in short al sucks
milsap pwns
 
GVC said:
Thought it might be funny to post this:

When Al and Millsap are on the court together, the Jazz have been outscored by 49 points in 1418 minutes (-1.7 per48).

When Al is on the court without Millsap, the Jazz have been outscored by 28 points in 385 minutes (-3.5 per48).

When Millsap is on the court without Al, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 77 in 284 minutes (+13.0 per48).

When neither Al not Paul are on the court, the Jazz have been outscored by 18 in 626 minutes (-1.4 per48).
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I like this kind of stuff. Thanks.
 
GVC said:
You read dutch's posts?
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Haha sometimes. However, it's usually just to see if he is still just posting the same exact thing about how bad Jefferson sucks. As for the fixed, no, I don't bother trying to see what he changed. It's unlikely to be funny and probably just changes Jefferson to jeffersuck or something super clever like that. But at least he could bold it so I can skim it like I do most posts in a 400+ post thread.
 
PKM said:
I like this kind of stuff. Thanks.
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A lot different than last season, when the team was terrible with Al and Paul on the bench:

11/12:

When Al and Millsap were on the court together, the Jazz outscored their opponents by 158 points in 1695 minutes (+4.5 per48).

When Al was on the court without Millsap, the Jazz outscored their opponents by 4 points in 380 minutes (+0.5 per48).

When Millsap was on the court without Al, the Jazz outscored their opponents by 38 in 405 minutes (+4.5 per48).

When neither Al nor Paul were on the court, the Jazz were outscored by 159 in 753 minutes (-10.1 per48).


Jazz bench/young players are growing up.
 
But Tyrone says: But Corbin was quick not too hang the loss entirely on his first group.

"It’s one game," he said, "and the starting group just didn’t get it going."

Its one game? Are you crazy? Are you daft? They do this almost every game, head coach Tyrone. Watch the freakin games why donchya? What self delusion!
 
zman1527 said:
But Tyrone says: But Corbin was quick not too hang the loss entirely on his first group.

"It’s one game," he said, "and the starting group just didn’t get it going."

Its one game? Are you crazy? Are you daft? They do this almost every game, head coach Tyrone. Watch the freakin games why donchya? What self delusion!
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No doubt, how can someone be so blind to what everyone else can see. This has been going on all season, and its probably not going to change anytime soon.
 
zman1527 said:
But Tyrone says: But Corbin was quick not too hang the loss entirely on his first group.

"It’s one game," he said, "and the starting group just didn’t get it going."

Its one game? Are you crazy? Are you daft? They do this almost every game, head coach Tyrone. Watch the freakin games why donchya? What self delusion!
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This is literally the excuse he makes at least once every week. Whether we're being embarrassed by 50 against the rockets or being beaten down by he queens. Or now, swept by the Clippers. "Just one game." It's one lazy *** way to shut down the critics and deflect questions. But it also defies logic. Pretty soon all those "one games" add up.

One games make the difference between playing the grizz in the first round vs the spurs. One games make the difference between the lottery and playoffs.

Corbin is such an arrogant *** wipe. And no one in this market besides Monson, Gunther, and graham have the guts to question him or this arrogant as hell organization. Is there another nba market... Or another market in all professional sports, which is so soft on its team?

I get it, the jazz are the only pro team in town but sheesh!

If only Kyle whittingham, bronco Mendenhall, and krisco were given the same luxury.
 
midnight_hwy said:
No doubt, how can someone be so blind to what everyone else can see. This has been going on all season, and its probably not going to change anytime soon.
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Why doesn't any reporter bring this up? Why not call Corbin out on his bs? If we can all see this why can't they?
 
zman1527 said:
But Tyrone says: But Corbin was quick not too hang the loss entirely on his first group.

"It’s one game," he said, "and the starting group just didn’t get it going."

Its one game? Are you crazy? Are you daft? They do this almost every game, head coach Tyrone. Watch the freakin games why donchya? What self delusion!
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I would like to see Franklin or one of the other Ty *** kisser's try and explain this statement.
 
GVC said:
A lot different than last season, when the team was terrible with Al and Paul on the bench:

11/12:

When Al and Millsap were on the court together, the Jazz outscored their opponents by 158 points in 1695 minutes (+4.5 per48).

When Al was on the court without Millsap, the Jazz outscored their opponents by 4 points in 380 minutes (+0.5 per48).

When Millsap was on the court without Al, the Jazz outscored their opponents by 38 in 405 minutes (+4.5 per48).

When neither Al nor Paul were on the court, the Jazz were outscored by 159 in 753 minutes (-10.1 per48).


Jazz bench/young players are growing up.
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Good stuff. The talent gap has been hard to see for a month now. Jazz would still lose more games with the young guys for experience reasons, but that's going away soon enough. Next season is going to be fun.
 
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