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GSW wants their pick back.

calm down hosers.
If they get a top 7 pick, which is not a certainty, then we'll probably just get their pick next year.
 
With the addition of Bogut and Richard Jefferson and the loss of Ellis do you think next year they will do away with the run and gun style they have now?

Their coach said he wanted to focus more on D and playing championship ball. These trades seem to be a very solid step in that direction over the long term.
 
Interesting read.

We're three teams, five general managers, three trades, four (going on five) cities, two Nets point guards and almost four years into this, and the evaporating career of Marcus Williams isn't even the issue anymore. That's how much tangled wreckage there is to sort through.
A 2008 Golden State-New Jersey deal for Williams that led to a 2009 Golden State-New Jersey deal may be coming due in the worst way in Oakland, with the Warriors living through a disappointing season and facing the real possibility they could both miss the playoffs and lose a lottery pick in a deep Draft.
Golden State made two deals on the same future first-round pick and made no gain from either. There certainly was no gain from the "Williams era" in Golden State, which lasted nine games in one season (poor conditioning and worse play were to blame). After a 62-game stint with Memphis in 2009-10, he was out of the league altogether.
This isn't meant to pile on Williams. Plenty of teams have unknowingly traded eventual lottery picks. The Knicks traded two first-rounders to the Suns in 2004 to get Stephon Marbury and Phoenix flipped one to the Jazz about six weeks later in a trade that jettisoned Tom Gugliotta. Utah watched that future pick (which originated with the Knicks) bloom into the No. 9 choice in 2010 (Gordon Hayward) in a perfect bit of timing as New York was dumping just about everything in preparation for the Summer of LeBron.
Last season, the Clippers dealt the selection that ended up as the No. 1 overall, Kyrie Irving, in freeing themselves of Baron Davis' contract. That happens.
This, though, just does not happen.
In July 2008, Chris Mullin and the Warriors acquired Williams from the Nets for a conditional first-rounder. Golden State had just been stunned by Davis' no-look free-agent move to the Clippers, was staring at an uncertain fit with Monta Ellis at point guard and had only C.J. Watson as depth. Williams was 22 and one season removed from being voted second-team All-Rookie. Plus, Golden State was coming off a 48-win season and, even after losing Davis, thought the pick would be middle of the first round at worst.
Just in case, Mullin took the traditional route of attaching protection. The Warriors would keep the selection if it was in the top 14 in 2011, in the top 11 in 2012 and the top 10 in 2013. If it hadn't been paid out by then, Golden State would ship second-rounders in '13 and '15.
Larry Riley succeeded Mullin shortly after the 2008-09 season. He wanted to remain aggressive in blockbuster talks, looking hard into landing Amar'e Stoudemire just as Mullin had closed in on a Kevin Garnett deal with the Timberwolves before that. Riley felt he needed to have a first-round pick as a potential sweetener and one wouldn't be at his disposal because teams could not trade first-round selections in consecutive years. With 2011 possibly bound for New Jersey, he couldn't dangle 2010, or 2011 because it might be gone, or 2012, or 2013.
Riley's exact target is not known. Maybe it was Stoudemire again, in a sign-and-trade in the summer of 2010. At the very least, he correctly reasoned, Golden State had a desperate need for depth. That could be addressed in the '11 Draft if the pick hadn't been moved. The Warriors had added David Lee and drafted Ekpe Udoh and figured they were a playoff contender that couldn't get hurt too bad with losing the pick.
So Riley worked a linked deal in September 2009 to alter the restrictions. The Warriors got to keep the 2011 first-rounder no matter what while the Nets got a second-round pick in 2011 and a reduction in protection to picks 1-7 in 2012, picks 1-6 in 2013 and picks 1-6 in 2014. If the books had not been closed on the deal by then, New Jersey got second-rounders in '14 and '16.
This is where it went horribly wrong for the Warriors.
There never was a blockbuster. They wanted an immediate selection to use in a trade and were willing to expose themselves on the back end for the trouble... and then didn't complete a trade.
Golden State did guarantee it would have a choice in 2011, ended up back in the lottery, and got Klay Thompson at 11. Thompson is on his way to being a success. But the Warriors, as it turned out, would have had the selection anyway. It was protected to 14 in the original deal, which is not going to work out so well.
Now the Warriors are headed to a very bad place. As the Nets are going to New York City next season, the Jazz got involved when the Warriors' pick was forwarded to them as part of last season's Deron Williams trade. Golden State finds itself in the same spot: on a course to the lottery with the possibility it won't get a lottery pick for its troubles.
"I was more concerned about protecting the fact that we would have a draft pick last summer," Riley said. "That I'm totally satisfied with. Now, as it turned out, we would have been OK. We would have gotten there and we would have been able to have the pick. We didn't know that for certain then, and with a somewhat-depleted roster back then, I felt it was important that we get another draft pick."
So he does not regret reducing the protection.
"Not really," Riley said. "Not given what was happening at the time."
The Warriors, at 15-20, have the 10th-worst record in the league and need to land in the top seven to keep the pick. Otherwise, it belongs to the Jazz, with the added potential indignity that a Golden State representative will have to sit on stage for the lottery theatrics only to instantly turn the choice over.
Maybe the Warriors find a finishing kick out of nowhere and make the playoffs. Then no one will care about losing the pick. Or maybe they miss the postseason and land in the lottery's top seven, delaying transfer of the selection for at least one more year.
Maybe they finish with the eighth- or ninth- or 10th-worst record, but beat the odds and ride the magic ping-pong balls into the first three picks.
The only certainty is they're No. 10 at the moment with what so far has been a very home-friendly schedule and any choice from No. 8 down belongs to Utah. In this cringing way, Golden State helps itself by losing.
Tangled wreckage, indeed.
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I think everybody likes Curry's game. Right now though, he just looks like one of those guys who will continually find his way to the DL.
 
northeast said:
calm down hosers.
If they get a top 7 pick, which is not a certainty, then we'll probably just get their pick next year.
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True. But having a top-10 pick in a deep draft is much more valuable than a late lottery pick in an uncertain draft. It also means we get a younger player in a year earlier to start building chemistry. Or having a #8-#10 pick now might lead to a good trade on draft day (for example combining it with Jefferson or Harris).
 
Jody Genessy ‏ @DJJazzyJody
RT @gwscribe: LACOB: "We think we can get our (1st round) pick back regardless....We've had discussions with Utah....It's not a done deal."
 
jacktheripper said:
Jody Genessy ‏ @DJJazzyJody
RT @gwscribe: LACOB: "We think we can get our (1st round) pick back regardless....We've had discussions with Utah....It's not a done deal."
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Seriously, what do they have to offer other than Curry? I would be pretty upset if KOC did a deal where we got Bogut and they got their pick back.
 
jacktheripper said:
Jody Genessy ‏ @DJJazzyJody
RT @gwscribe: LACOB: "We think we can get our (1st round) pick back regardless....We've had discussions with Utah....It's not a done deal."
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That sounds a lot like the team is admitting to tanking. Doesn't that violate some rule?
 
One issue the Warriors have is that they don't have a super sophisticated fan base, and their fan base doesn't trust the organization. The fans want to win this year and every year, so this is putting pressure on the Warriors' FO and coaching staff to be competitive. At the same time the Ws need picks to grow through the draft and need to tank a bit to do it. Still, the fans are tired of the Warriors drafting players who don't stay and become great players for other teams---Chris Webber, Latrell Sprewell, Gilbert Arenas, Mitch Richmond, Jason Richardson, etc. The fans are tired of losing, and their patience for rebuilding is pretty thin.

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Catchall said:
One issue the Warriors have is that they don't have a super sophisticated fan base, and their fan base doesn't trust the organization. The fans want to win this year and every year, so this is putting pressure on the Warriors' FO and coaching staff to be competitive. At the same time the Ws need picks to grow through the draft and need to tank a bit to do it. Still, the fans are tired of the Warriors drafting players who don't stay and become great players for other teams---Chris Webber, Latrell Sprewell, Gilbert Arenas, Mitch Richmond, Jason Richardson, etc. The fans are tired of losing, and their patience for rebuilding is pretty thin.

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When this is your draft history, you can't blame the fans for being impatient:

2005- Ike Diogu
2006- Patrick O'Bryant
2007- Marco Belinelli
2008- Anthony Randolph
2009- Stephen Curry
2010- Edpe Udoh
2011- Klay Thompson

It's okay to miss on some of your draft picks, but you occasionally have to hit it big (usually requiring a top 3 pick) or consistently pick solid starters that can either play for your team or turn into assets. If I ran the Warriors I would ABSOLUTELY tank. By tank I mean trade any player over the age of 25 for youth and draft picks, then keep accumulating high picks to eventually turn it around. It doesn't always work (Sacramento) but sometimes it works great (OKC).
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
When this is your draft history, you can't blame the fans for being impatient:

2005- Ike Diogu
2006- Patrick O'Bryant
2007- Marco Belinelli
2008- Anthony Randolph
2009- Stephen Curry
2010- Edpe Udoh
2011- Klay Thompson

It's okay to miss on some of your draft picks, but you occasionally have to hit it big (usually requiring a top 3 pick) or consistently pick solid starters that can either play for your team or turn into assets. If I ran the Warriors I would ABSOLUTELY tank. By tank I mean trade any player over the age of 25 for youth and draft picks, then keep accumulating high picks to eventually turn it around. It doesn't always work (Sacramento) but sometimes it works great (OKC).
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Wait, I thought only KOC missed on draft picks. You mean there's a team that has done even WORSE and with generally much higher picks?
 
jacktheripper said:
Jody Genessy ‏ @DJJazzyJody
RT @gwscribe: LACOB: "We think we can get our (1st round) pick back regardless....We've had discussions with Utah....It's not a done deal."
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Only deal I'd take is to give them their pick plus Harris for Curry.

Depending on what they offer, maybe it does make sense to delay the pick for a year. Then we save on the salary associated with a Top10 pick until the year AFTER the two big salaries of Jefferson and Harris expire. Doing that would allow KOC to utilize the full amount of Memo's TPE or add a FA without worrying about landing in luxury tax territory.

On second thought, how about trading Bell + their pick for Dorell Wright? Wright is a good shooter, better than anyone we'd get at #8. Having a decent outside shooter would open things up inside and bringing in someone to be an immediate starter at SF lets Hayward continue to be the 6th man, which is where he is thriving right now. And, of course, this gets rid of the headache that is Raja.

If Lacob says there are still discussions going on, this is about the only thing I can think of that makes sense. And if GS lands #7 or better, they still do the trade to get a pick in 2013. Bringing in a couple of vets like Bogut and Bell would begin to change their team culture for the better.
 
Wow there is literally no one on GS I would be interested in besides Curry. I don't know if that's a testament to how good the Jazz are looking or how bad GS has become.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Wow there is literally no one on GS I would be interested in besides Curry. I don't know if that's a testament to how good the Jazz are looking or how bad GS has become.
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Pick good as gone. Sacramento is getting on a hot streak. If anything we should be trading with GS to get less protection
 
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