GT: Jazz @ Spurs Jan 15th 6 p.m. - AT&T Center, San Antonio, TX

[Jeditiger]

Can anyone explain this to me? When is Burks going to be allowed to just beat the guy in front of him? It's obvious he's better one on one than in the PnR. If the idea is to coach him into playing in the system, fine. But why wouldn't you get the ball into Burks' hands as the shot clock winds down and let him create? It's what makes him unique, and we're not developing it at all.

This doesn't make any sense. "Allowed to just beat the guy in front of him?" That's pretty much what he's doing. I don't understand what you mean when you say we're not developing exactly what he is developing. In fact he seems to have it down pretty good and he's doing it often. Great. Now just get working on that jump shot and we'll have a diamond!

 

[Ben10]

The good news is we're getting better play in the post. The bad news is we took 8 3's tonight. And we average 18, 26th in the league. Why does every Ty team average bottom 5 in 3's? Seriously?

Here is your answer to this question Billy. From the DNews yesterday when talking about Alec's big game Corbin said this:

"He's being who he is. He's able to attack the basket," the Jazz coach said. "Guys get enamored with 3-point shots, but if you can get a shot closer to the basket, it's always better. In the modern-day game, everybody's just so ... the 3-pointer's the sexy thing, but I'd rather you get a shot closer to the basket than a 3-point shot any day."

 

[Jeditiger]

And that's ALWAYS been part of the Utah Jazz philosophy. High-percentage, close-proximity shots are far more efficient than longer, lower-percentage shots

 

[8]

Sausage crap! The Jazz are finally on the TV and I gotta work. Sounded like the perfect game. The younguns played well, and lost respectably.

 

[Jeditiger]

Sausage crap! The Jazz are finally on the TV and I gotta work. Sounded like the perfect game. The younguns played well, and lost respectably.

Yea, and all things were good!

 

[billyshelby]

This doesn't make any sense. "Allowed to just beat the guy in front of him?" That's pretty much what he's doing. I don't understand what you mean when you say we're not developing exactly what he is developing. In fact he seems to have it down pretty good and he's doing it often. Great. Now just get working on that jump shot and we'll have a diamond!

The difference is this: Burks drives almost exclusively from the PnR in our offense. Most of the good drivers in the league need a PnR to be successful, but the elite ones don't. Alec's unique ability is he's actually better one on one than on the PnR. That's my point. He needs freedom to attack rather than just fitting into an "offense."

The irony is this: Trey Burke is a pretty terrible shooter and driver, but he takes at least 5 shots a game that he just creates. I have no problem with this. Trey needs room to learn. But Alec is a much better shooter and driver. He should have the same liberty to create shots as Trey, especially since he's obviously a better player.

 

[8]

The difference is this: Burks drives almost exclusively from the PnR in our offense. Most of the good drivers in the league need a PnR to be successful, but the elite ones don't. Alec's unique ability is he's actually better one on one than on the PnR. That's my point. He needs freedom to attack rather than just fitting into an "offense."

The irony is this: Trey Burke is a pretty terrible shooter and driver, but he takes at least 5 shots a game that he just creates. I have no problem with this. Trey needs room to learn. But Alec is a much better shooter and driver. He should have the same liberty to create shots as Trey, especially since he's obviously a better player.

I still think the Burke pick-and-roll is a more efficient play overall, but if Alec keeps improving (mostly passing and shooting) and the Jazz have solid shooters around him, I could see some isolations in place when the matchup dictates it.

Burke playing has really allowed Burks to attack some closeouts, which is really his best ability.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Can anyone explain this to me? When is Burks going to be allowed to just beat the guy in front of him? It's obvious he's better one on one than in the PnR. If the idea is to coach him into playing in the system, fine. But why wouldn't you get the ball into Burks' hands as the shot clock winds down and let him create? It's what makes him unique, and we're not developing it at all.

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please explains crobains system to me i dont see any.

maybe my Basketball IQ is way below crobains

 

[babe]

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please explains crobains system to me i dont see any.

maybe my Basketball IQ is way below crobains

disciplining talent and creativity out of the picture by displacing all that with a totally predictable "system". Smells like stupidity to me.

Look, you have to have some plays you can call, and your guys have to be able to do them successfully even when that's what the other coach has prepared his players to respond to and maybe stop. You have to be able to do that, and do it a lot. But that's not all. You have to be able to shoot threes forty percent too. You have to be able to do some stuff that feeds off the the other guys expecting something mundane, like your predictable plays...... just enough to force the defense to have to adjust to the possible creativity.

If you've got some air in your game, your plays will work better. . . . .

You need more than a play, you need talent. You need to practice your threes and shoot them. You need some guys who can drive straight in from anywhere whenever there's an opening. . . . it just grinds me that any coach will make it so much "system". Unless you've got Stockton and Malone, maybe, and one good three shooter at least, and one big guy under the basket you found in some LA carwash. . . but even then I wanted more unpredictability, more talent, more game, more air.

 

[candrew]

dont forget the give the ball to favors between halfcourt and 3 point line.
it seems to happen a lot.
our big man getting the ball between 3 point line and mid court.


seriously WTF is the point.
its waistingg 3-6 seconds

Jazz have been doing this for over 25 years. They did it in the 80's with Mark Eaton. They did it in the 90's with Greg Ostertag. They pretty much abandoned it last decade because they happened to have the best shooting big man in the NBA in Memo so it became more of a two man game between D-Will and Memo which resulted in easy pick and pops.

Here's the thing - they did it in the 80's and 90's for two reason - to pass the ball to a wing player on an off-ball screen or, chiefly, to create spacing for their post player - but when Favors is on the court and 22 feet from the basket THEY HAVE NO ****ING POST PLAYER because Kanter is on the bench. So now one of two things happens - Favors swings the ball to the other side of the court; which could have easily been done by the player bringing the ball up the court or a wing player comes around Favors while he hands the ball off to him. This is Corbin basketball at its finest. So now you have a player with the ball in his hands, 20+ feet out, dribbling full speed and parallel to the basket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek

This is a useless exercise. Hayward does nothing with this, Garrett does nothing with this, Burks does nothing with this. Burke has the speed to create something off this maybe 5% of the time. The other 95% of the time nothing ever ****ing happens other then blowing 3-7 seconds off the shot clock

 

[Primetime]

Advanced stats for the game:

- First things first I love this USG%! Enes might be a little high in contrast to Alec but if a player is that hot you just give him the ball.
- Gordon again with that DNP
- Derrick was just rock solid. His REB% is where it shoud be, he is efficient but I still don't like it if neither of our big men have an AST.
- Alec realy good all-around passing, helping on the boards and also scoring.
- How abou that clutch gene ICE TREY(love the nickname btw) has? And his playmaking is showing us that he can do it if needed!
- Enes keeps improving and did a really nice job but I don't like that high TOV%.

FYI with Enes and Derrick on the court(11 MIN) the Jazz had an OffRtg of 155.8 and a DefRtg of 88.8[NetRtg: 67.0(last game: -44.8)]. With Alec/Trey/Derrick/Enes together on the court(9 MIN) the team had an NetRtg of 74.0! During this time the Jazz got 75% of all available rebounds.

 

[zman1527]

Here is your answer to this question Billy. From the DNews yesterday when talking about Alec's big game Corbin said this:

"Guys get enamored with 3-point shots, but if you can get a shot closer to the basket, it's always better. In the modern-day game, everybody's just so ... the 3-pointer's the sexy thing, but I'd rather you get a shot closer to the basket than a 3-point shot any day."

Idiot. Complete idiot. Learned it all from Ol' Jer and is not wise enough to abandon stupid ideas.

 

[ianfaith]

Idiot. Complete idiot. Learned it all from Ol' Jer and is not wise enough to abandon stupid ideas.

Holy ****. Corbin is such a clueless ****ing jack wagon.

 

[franklin]

dont forget the give the ball to favors between halfcourt and 3 point line.
it seems to happen a lot.
our big man getting the ball between 3 point line and mid court.


seriously WTF is the point.
its waistingg 3-6 seconds

DHO to Hayward, reset point.


*Edit* -- if you want to learn the play then study Popovich's ripoff of Sloan's system. He runs this same setup a lot.

 

[franklin]

When Ty is straightening his tie hoping to be considered for the Weber State job next year, he might want to study Pop's game tape. The Spurs are magical. Watch their game clocks. They run quick early sets, guys space methodically, they do the drive and kick, but what makes them special is how quick they reset their offense. Once the first action doesn't work, Parker has the ball in his hands and he's running a PnR. Then watch how guys know to cut off that PnR. It's beautiful.

What we do: Take 15 seconds waiting for convoluted screens and back screens to work 20% of the time, then watch some spastic shot. Sure we get some decent shots off our long setups, but we can't reset. The good news is we're getting better play in the post. The bad news is we took 8 3's tonight. And we average 18, 26th in the league. Why does every Ty team average bottom 5 in 3's? Seriously?

This simply is not true. Spurs run the same stuff as the Jazz with pnr as the bailout option. They don't reset much because it's a waste of shot clock and stagnates everything.

What you're really complaining about is execution, which requires talent.

 

[candrew]

"Guys get enamored with 3-point shots, but if you can get a shot closer to the basket, it's always better. In the modern-day game, everybody's just so ... the 3-pointer's the sexy thing, but I'd rather you get a shot closer to the basket than a 3-point shot any day."

If The Jazz did anything well offensively I could almost find some validity in this statement. But The Jazz are profoundly mediocre (if not outright bad) as a team at almost every offensive measurement. This comment just seems like some feeble attempt to gain "old school" credentials.

***ing Corbin you ****ing ****er....**** you!!!

 

[cowhide]

Coaches are blamed for what they can control. The type of offensive/defensive scheme, rotations, in-game adjustments, etc. So just because players are playing well it doesn't mean it's a direct reflection of good coaching and just because players are playing poor it isn't a direct reflection of poor coaching.

I agree and that was my point. Your response doesn't answer the question why does Ty get the blame when they play poorly and gets no credit when they play well. So what you are saying is that coaches doesn't matter because the players determine the outcome whether it is good or bad?

 

[cowhide]

Cause Corbin sucks!

Wow, nice middle school response. So you have really no argument just a dumb thought.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And that's ALWAYS been part of the Utah Jazz philosophy. High-percentage, close-proximity shots are far more efficient than longer, lower-percentage shots

This post is a bunch of obtuse non-sense stringed together. Are you talking about 3s? Where does "high-percentage" or "close-proximity" begin? If you can't spread the floor, how many of those shots are you going to get that are still good?

 

[Doublea]

Wow, nice middle school response. So you have really no argument just a dumb thought.

In all honesty, Corbin is a pretty good coach, but not one thats going to take us far. I personally don't like how he's managed minutes or the young guys. He has a very strict coaching style and he's not really a specialist in anyway.