Gun Control vs School Shootings in Terms of Child Deaths

[SoberasHotRod]

Ya Kearns. (Still here now) Which is a bad area for SLC but not very bad area in comparison to any other major metropolis in America. I'm certain that kids growing up in rough areas of other major cities (new York, Houston, LA, Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Denver, etc) have seen/been involved in more.

And ya, I did run with the wrong crowd but notice that one of those took place in my own home, one took place in my front yard, and two were hunting accidents.

Fact is that simply having guns around you is dangerous. Even if you live in affluent/safe places.

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This is very interesting to me. I grew up in West Jordan, so maybe 15 minutes away from you. I have not had a single close call with a gun or seen them used in anything, but in safe and controlled environments. I don't really have a point other than it's just interesting to me that we grew up living so close to each other, but had such different experiences with guns. Honestly, I can't imagine how terrifying some of those experiences must have been.

 

[Sardines]

Hey I found what they are all protecting themselves against. Damn good thing that guy had a gun, who knows what would have happened.


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This is actually a gun culture problem. It's why I stopped advocating for 2nd Amendment rights, because the movement has gone off the rails. Restraint is weakness. Caution is cowardice. Hesitation is death.

 

[Rubashov]

had a walk through Chinatown in Melbourne last weekend, some pretty suspicious carcasses hanging up in some restaurants there. I've got some Portugese in my background which given their economy these days is halfway toward becoming Haiti .. i reckon eating some ***** is fair game ..

Still buying your opium in Chinatown? The old black chandu...



never stops being funny

 

[Rubashov]

I never said it was 100% of the issue. Gun culture in American cant be reversed.

#FreePalestine

That's an unfortunate truth.

 

[PJF]

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[LogGrad98]

I also like the idea that gun manufacturers could be required to provide a hard case with an effective gun lock with every purchase. I also like the idea of taxing gun sales at a ridiculously high rate, so like a 50% tax on all gun sales. Want to buy that $500 gun, it will cost you $750. Hell have it be a sliding scale depending on type of gun, type of action, capacity, etc. so a single shot .22 rifle would be a 20% tax and an AR-15 with all the trimmings would be 100% tax rate, 9mm handgun 50%, something like that. Tax the hell out of ammo too. You can still buy the gun, but it is going to cost you. Could also require gun manufacturers to pay into a fund that supports victims of gun violence or something. idk there are a lot of ways to skin this cat.

Just don't let @Rubashov anywhere near the cat.

You know you could combine this with incentives. There could be a voluntary psych eval and if you complete it, they cut the tax in half or something. Of course we'd use it to exclude people from buying a gun but at least it's an option. I would prefer mandatory psych evals but that's just me I guess.

 

[Rubashov]

You know you could combine this with incentives. There could be a voluntary psych eval and if you complete it, they cut the tax in half or something. Of course we'd use it to exclude people from buying a gun but at least it's an option. I would prefer mandatory psych evals but that's just me I guess.

Thing is its not crazy people that kill people, the vast majority of murders are committed by people in a bad situation making an even worse choice. The vast number of firearms in the US and I think to a significant degree American culture and attitudes to violence, creates a situation where a bunch of stupid violent people are generally able to acquire tools of death and are stupid enough to use them.

 

[LogGrad98]

Thing is its not crazy people that kill people, the vast majority of murders are committed by people in a bad situation making an even worse choice. The vast number of firearms in the US and I think to a significant degree American culture and attitudes to violence, creates a situation where a bunch of stupid violent people are generally able to acquire tools of death and are stupid enough to use them.

I was thinking more along the line of the mass shootings which are making up more and more of the shooting deaths every year in America. Most of those are people dealing with some level of mental health issues. Many had been on or are even currently on medication, a couple were ex-military with PTSD issues, things like that. We can at least ferret out a few of those and bring the body count down.

Hey nothing is stopping all of it, but we gotta start somewhere.

Edit: this might also help curtail suicides to a point, which account for more than half of gun deaths annually in the US.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

While the number of gun deaths in the U.S. fell for the second consecutive year in 2023, it remained among the highest annual totals on record.

www.pewresearch.org

Another thing I was thinking about, how about an over-funded gun buy-back. Offer an insane amount to turn guns in. Like minimum $1k for a simple hunting rifle, bolt action, or something up to $5k for semi-autos like ARs. That is one problem with voluntary gun buy-backs is often you don't get anywhere near the value. I have 3 or 4 guns personally worth between $2500 and $10k. I am not turning those in for $500. But I have maybe 5 or 6 beyond that that are worth under $1k realistically. I would turn those in if the price were right.

 

[LogGrad98]

Speaking of psych evals, how many of the massive up-tick in mass shootings in '20 and '21 were attributable to the psychological effect of the pandemic. People being cooped up, losing jobs, idle hands, general unease in society. Would be enough to push people who might normally be on the brink right on over the edge.

 

[LogGrad98]

And the whole thing going after "assault rifles" is virtually meaningless in curtailing gun violence. All rifles make up 3% of gun deaths, of which "AR"s are only a portion. Handguns make up 59%. That is where we need the most focus. I know of the dozen or so guns I own, only 5 are rifles or shotguns. The rest are handguns of varying sorts. I would be willing to part with all of my handguns, except 3, if the buy-back were right. Maybe even 2 of those 3. 1 of them is a collector piece I inherited from my grandfather.

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?​

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

 

[fishonjazz]

I was thinking more along the line of the mass shootings which are making up more and more of the shooting deaths every year in America. Most of those are people dealing with some level of mental health issues. Many had been on or are even currently on medication, a couple were ex-military with PTSD issues, things like that. We can at least ferret out a few of those and bring the body count down.

Hey nothing is stopping all of it, but we gotta start somewhere.

Edit: this might also help curtail suicides to a point, which account for more than half of gun deaths annually in the US.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

While the number of gun deaths in the U.S. fell for the second consecutive year in 2023, it remained among the highest annual totals on record.

www.pewresearch.org

Another thing I was thinking about, how about an over-funded gun buy-back. Offer an insane amount to turn guns in. Like minimum $1k for a simple hunting rifle, bolt action, or something up to $5k for semi-autos like ARs. That is one problem with voluntary gun buy-backs is often you don't get anywhere near the value. I have 3 or 4 guns personally worth between $2500 and $10k. I am not turning those in for $500. But I have maybe 5 or 6 beyond that that are worth under $1k realistically. I would turn those in if the price were right.

Ya but then I sell my gun to the government for a move profit and go and buy 2 more with the extra money I made on that sale. Then rinse and repeat over and over.

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[fishonjazz]

And the whole thing going after "assault rifles" is virtually meaningless in curtailing gun violence. All rifles make up 3% of gun deaths, of which "AR"s are only a portion. Handguns make up 59%. That is where we need the most focus. I know of the dozen or so guns I own, only 5 are rifles or shotguns. The rest are handguns of varying sorts. I would be willing to part with all of my handguns, except 3, if the buy-back were right. Maybe even 2 of those 3. 1 of them is a collector piece I inherited from my grandfather.

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?​

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

Now do mass shootings and school shootings though. Which you said yourself is the place to start.

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[Safetydan]

Another thing I was thinking about, how about an over-funded gun buy-back. Offer an insane amount to turn guns in. Like minimum $1k for a simple hunting rifle, bolt action, or something up to $5k for semi-autos like ARs. That is one problem with voluntary gun buy-backs is often you don't get anywhere near the value. I have 3 or 4 guns personally worth between $2500 and $10k. I am not turning those in for $500. But I have maybe 5 or 6 beyond that that are worth under $1k realistically. I would turn those in if the price were right.

@LogGrad98 over here just trying to get paid.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ya but then I sell my gun to the government for a move profit and go and buy 2 more with the extra money I made on that sale. Then rinse and repeat over and over.

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Caps and ****. Good for 1 day only. **** like that.

 

[LogGrad98]

Now do mass shootings and school shootings though. Which you said yourself is the place to start.

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Low-hanging fruit. Plus I'm obviously just spit-balling. Any spit-balls to throw or just shade?

 

[fishonjazz]

Low-hanging fruit. Plus I'm obviously just spit-balling. Any spit-balls to throw or just shade?

I think the AR's are the easiest to go after (it's been done before recently after all) and they seem to be the preferred gun to use for the psycho mass shooters so would start there

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[Rubashov]

I was thinking more along the line of the mass shootings which are making up more and more of the shooting deaths every year in America. Most of those are people dealing with some level of mental health issues. Many had been on or are even currently on medication, a couple were ex-military with PTSD issues, things like that. We can at least ferret out a few of those and bring the body count down.

Hey nothing is stopping all of it, but we gotta start somewhere.

Edit: this might also help curtail suicides to a point, which account for more than half of gun deaths annually in the US.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

While the number of gun deaths in the U.S. fell for the second consecutive year in 2023, it remained among the highest annual totals on record.

www.pewresearch.org

Another thing I was thinking about, how about an over-funded gun buy-back. Offer an insane amount to turn guns in. Like minimum $1k for a simple hunting rifle, bolt action, or something up to $5k for semi-autos like ARs. That is one problem with voluntary gun buy-backs is often you don't get anywhere near the value. I have 3 or 4 guns personally worth between $2500 and $10k. I am not turning those in for $500. But I have maybe 5 or 6 beyond that that are worth under $1k realistically. I would turn those in if the price were right.

An unintended consequence of our post Port Arthur gun laws was a drastic reduction in rural youth suicide (mostly young men) So many good things happen when you remove guns from society.

 

[Rubashov]

And the whole thing going after "assault rifles" is virtually meaningless in curtailing gun violence. All rifles make up 3% of gun deaths, of which "AR"s are only a portion. Handguns make up 59%. That is where we need the most focus. I know of the dozen or so guns I own, only 5 are rifles or shotguns. The rest are handguns of varying sorts. I would be willing to part with all of my handguns, except 3, if the buy-back were right. Maybe even 2 of those 3. 1 of them is a collector piece I inherited from my grandfather.

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?​

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

Short arm ownership is incredibly difficult in Australia, to maintain a licence, even if you work as a licenced guard in cash transit requires you to shoot competitively. (I think a minimum of 4 competitions a year?) As an example, myself as a licenced guard of 20 years, cannot simply do a course to become an armed guard, (the licence requirement has already been met in my previous training) I have to obtain and maintain a short arm licence. Now the money in this industry is **** unless you are doing high risk plain clothes work and the firearm itself is often the objective of any robbery, a stolen handgun is worth over 20 to 30k on the black market.

 

[Rubashov]

I think the AR's are the easiest to go after (it's been done before recently after all) and they seem to be the preferred gun to use for the psycho mass shooters so would start there

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Honestly what civilian has any genuine use of an AR platform? Fire suppression isn't part of deer hunting! What's next? Duck shooting with an 88mm Flak gun?

Take that you duck bastard!!!

 

[Safetydan]

The most embarrassing thing is that even with all of these guns lying about, we can't seem to medal in any of the shooting competitions at the Olympics. Like, what are we even doing?