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Scat said:
Nice... you're advocating a police state.
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Huh?

Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't you repubs been bitching for years about either building a wall to "protect" us from Mexicans or requested more federal agents to protector our borders? All I know is that you folks have been bitching non-stop about Obama "failing" to protect our borders. I struggle to see how "protecting" our borders with either walls or troops is any less of a "police state" than placing a cop or troop in each of our schools.

Not to mention that it has been your ilk which started 2 unfunded wars and rammed the Pat Act down our throats.
 
Scat, you really can't have it both ways.

You can't complain about these tragedies and then reject all possible solutions to them.

More gun regulation, better security, more government intervention in health care or media, etc have all been suggested and thus far seem to have been all denied by yourself. So what exactly are your solutions? Because doing nothing obviously isn't going to help.

Which is essentially what the GOP has done with soooo many issues, merely kicked the can down the road and bitched all along the way. I still find it hilarious when you folks complain about Obamacare. You had the white house for 8 years and didn't do a damn thing to reform it.
 
The Thriller said:
Huh?

Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't you repubs been bitching for years about either building a wall to "protect" us from Mexicans or requested more federal agents to protector our borders? All I know is that you folks have been bitching non-stop about Obama "failing" to protect our borders. I struggle to see how "protecting" our borders with either walls or troops is any less of a "police state" than placing a cop or troop in each of our schools.

Not to mention that it has been your ilk which started 2 unfunded wars and rammed the Pat Act down our throats.
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The Thriller said:
Or... A solution might be bringing the damn troops home to protect our own borders, schools, and malls...
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I was good with border. That's actually the federal government's job. Then you went crazy with suggesting that the federal government should place troops in schools & malls... what's next?
 
Scat said:
I was good with border. That's actually the federal government's job. Then you went crazy with suggesting that the federal government should place troops in schools & malls... what's next?
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I'm sure the far left or far right will think of something.
 
The Thriller said:
More gun regulation
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What gun regulation that is not already in place would you propose?

better security
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Great, but this is not the federal government's domain. School districts or state government, maybe. Definitely not the federal government placing troops in the schools.

more government intervention in health care or media
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Both horrendous ideas.

So what exactly are your solutions?
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I think one of the best ideas is one that you and a number of others here are going to hate. Depending on the size of the school, anywhere from 4 to a dozen teachers and staff should be well trained in the use of a particular firearm and allowed to keep them at school. The principal, vice principal, some of the teachers... whoever, as long as they pass a rigorous training and psychological course and are reevaluated yearly. Did you read the article I posted about mass shootings in the U.S.? In the last 62 years, only one mass shooting has not occurred in a "gun free zone". All others have taken place where the shooter had a reasonably good idea they would not face resistance, at least initially. The Aurora shooter chose a theater that specifically stated that firearms were not allowed on the premises and drove past at least half a dozen other theaters to terrorize this particular location.
 
Scat,

I'm not sure I can think of 4 people in my school who I'd want with a firearm in their hands. I suppose I could. But there's zero chance I'd want one in the hands of my principal.
 
Gyp Rosetti said:
Scat,

I'm not sure I can think of 4 people in my school who I'd want with a firearm in their hands. I suppose I could. But there's zero chance I'd want one in the hands of my principal.
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That really puts a lot of faith into your state's school system. I can see why Christie wants to fire all of you.
 
franklin said:
That really puts a lot of faith into your state's school system. I can see why Christie wants to fire all of you.
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Yeah, if a principal isn't equipped to carry a firearm, she should be fired. Good one dumbass.

FWIW, take a look at our state's academics compared to other states and then come talk to me.
 
I haven't read almost any of this thread, but the thought of almost any of my middle school or high school teachers carrying weapons is utterly terrifying.

Teaching is one of the most frustrating jobs you can have, and no offense but in large part its a job that seems to attract socially awkward people that don't seem to handle stressful situations all that well.

I don't think I went a week without one of my teachers absolutely freaking out and losing their **** in middle school/high school and had a couple teachers physically confront me.

No way teachers should be allowed to carry guns. That would be a disaster. Sorry if I'm missing some joke, I just popped in this thread.
 
Gyp Rosetti said:
Yeah, if a principal isn't equipped to carry a firearm, she should be fired. Good one dumbass.

FWIW, take a look at our state's academics compared to other states and then come talk to me.
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Yeah, bro, if a bro principal can't be trusted bro then we should blindly trust them. Good one sensitive hardass.
FWIW, let me post random stats now like a bro about some random **** with no meaning like a bro. Wanna lift weights and **** now like a bro EYE?
 
What gun regulation that is not already in place would you propose?
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You're not going to agree with it so why post it? The whole system needs an overhaul. From the amount of ammo these guns can carry, which guns are available for purchase, and the mental evaluations needed to obtain these weapons. It's pretty obvious that we cannot keep kicking the can down the road like the GOP has done for so long.

Great, but this is not the federal government's domain. School districts or state government, maybe. Definitely not the federal government placing troops in the schools.
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Great! Are you ready to pay more in taxes to support your "local" school district/government?

Both horrendous ideas.
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LOL. Of course. Free market can solve any and every ill. Just look at our wonderful health care system which doesn't spend twice as much as the #2 country and covers everyone... Just look at how costs have not skyrocketed since Reagan deregulated this industry.

I think one of the best ideas is one that you and a number of others here are going to hate. Depending on the size of the school, anywhere from 4 to a dozen teachers and staff should be well trained in the use of a particular firearm and allowed to keep them at school.
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As someone who has personal experience as an educator (and who has several close family and friends) all (myself included) are completely against this idea.

whoever, as long as they pass a rigorous training and psychological course and are reevaluated yearly. Did you read the article I posted about mass shootings in the U.S.?
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Great! Will you pay for this training? We don't even have AC in many schools here in this state. So will you help fund the training necessary for your solution?

In the last 62 years, only one mass shooting has not occurred in a "gun free zone".
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Cool. So what is this supposed to prove?

The Aurora shooter chose a theater that specifically stated that firearms were not allowed on the premises and drove past at least half a dozen other theaters to terrorize this particular location.
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Are you really suggesting that the shooter, dressed up as the Joker (the previous villain in Batman) purposely sought after a "gun free" zone at his local theater to attack folks at the midnight showing of the final Batman movie? So had that place not been a gun-free zone that the "Joker" wouldn't have attacked there?

That really puts a lot of faith into your state's school system. I can see why Christie wants to fire all of you.
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Are you suggested that non-unionized teachers are better gun shooters than unionized ones?

How about private school teachers, are they better?

Or are you suggesting wall street or banking execs working in the "private sector" are better shooters than those in the public sector?

Speaking of Christie, think he's a better shooter than a lot of teachers? I know he can eat more pizza than most of them. But what about his shooting skills?

Your comment was more of a cheap *** shot rather than an intelligent comment. Consider us even now.
 
UGLI baby said:
I haven't read almost any of this thread, but the thought of almost any of my middle school or high school teachers carrying weapons is utterly terrifying.

Teaching is one of the most frustrating jobs you can have, and no offense but in large part its a job that seems to attract socially awkward people that don't seem to handle stressful situations all that well.

I don't think I went a week without one of my teachers absolutely freaking out and losing their **** in middle school/high school and had a couple teachers physically confront me.

No way teachers should be allowed to carry guns. That would be a disaster. Sorry if I'm missing some joke, I just popped in this thread.
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Where the hell would a teacher store this weapon?

What would happen if a child ever got into it?
 
babe said:
moevillini said:
...And perhaps there can never be any agreement on these issues and we will just have to accept that these sorts of things are going to happen and that's the price we pay for living in a democracy.
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well, I understand your view and respect your general sort of way. . . . but I just have to comment on this "demcracy" thing. I know that's what schools, the media, and general governance personnel like to say we are. . . . and what most people think we are. . . .

So here's Benjamin Franklin's take on "Democracy": "Two wolves and sheep deciding who's for dinner".

If you fundamentally believe 51% of the people can define the rights of all, you do not believe in liberty, human rights or even have a decent respect for your neighbors. . . . just sayin'. . . .
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oops, sorry Babe, I misspoke - what I really meant to say is:

we just have to accept that these sorts of things are going to happen and that's the price we pay for living

that's all - it's pretty simple really
 
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franklin said:
Yeah, bro, if a bro principal can't be trusted bro then we should blindly trust them. Good one sensitive hardass.
FWIW, let me post random stats now like a bro about some random **** with no meaning like a bro. Wanna lift weights and **** now like a bro EYE?
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Keep trolling.
 
The Thriller said:
You're not going to agree with it so why post it? The whole system needs an overhaul. From the amount of ammo these guns can carry, which guns are available for purchase, and the mental evaluations needed to obtain these weapons. It's pretty obvious that we cannot keep kicking the can down the road like the GOP has done for so long.



Great! Are you ready to pay more in taxes to support your "local" school district/government?



LOL. Of course. Free market can solve any and every ill. Just look at our wonderful health care system which doesn't spend twice as much as the #2 country and covers everyone... Just look at how costs have not skyrocketed since Reagan deregulated this industry.



As someone who has personal experience as an educator (and who has several close family and friends) all (myself included) are completely against this idea.



Great! Will you pay for this training? We don't even have AC in many schools here in this state. So will you help fund the training necessary for your solution?



Cool. So what is this supposed to prove?



Are you really suggesting that the shooter, dressed up as the Joker (the previous villain in Batman) purposely sought after a "gun free" zone at his local theater to attack folks at the midnight showing of the final Batman movie? So had that place not been a gun-free zone that the "Joker" wouldn't have attacked there?



Are you suggested that non-unionized teachers are better gun shooters than unionized ones?

How about private school teachers, are they better?

Or are you suggesting wall street or banking execs working in the "private sector" are better shooters than those in the public sector?

Speaking of Christie, think he's a better shooter than a lot of teachers? I know he can eat more pizza than most of them. But what about his shooting skills?

Your comment was more of a cheap *** shot rather than an intelligent comment. Consider us even now.
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Sometimes your responses are pretty telling.

So you're saying that since you're a compliance-trained educational professional you just simply can't process or comprehend an alternative view?

If so, I'd have to agree with you that such dehumanized propagandists don't want to take responsible action to prevent harm to children in any way that requires courage, common sense, or intelligence. . . . . . and indeed are trained to unquestioningly accept incompetent "state-sanctioned solutions" to all of society's ills.

Almost without exception, in the past twenty years, let's call it the Prozac Age, shooters who can stand there and gun down random kids and/or adults in a designated no-guns-allowed zone have done it after professional psychiatric "help" and standard prescription SRI or SSRI medications.

yeah. right. lets medicate all the kids and ban guns.
 
SaltyDawg said:
This is starting to become a real concern. Better stock up on your guns, they might be illegal pretty soon.
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People already are. So you do not have to worry about that.

Let's say that all guns were bad. What are you going to do round up all the guns? IF that is tried I guaranteee a civil war. I am not calling for one but I guarantee it would happen.

If not then that makes your gun ban worthless as by the most conservative counts there are over 200 million legally/registered owned firearms and probably that number again in illegally/unregistered weapons.
 
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