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LiemD said:
someone suggested earlier that there would be a civil war if the govt tries to take peoples guns away. Why do people think they can fight back against the govt? I've never heard of anyone taking on the govt and winning...
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Many people will not give up their guns. That will lead to arrests and shootings. Then I think you will have families and friends start banding together in attempt to prevent their guns from being confiscated. Then it gets to the point where the local police force refuses to confiscate the arms because it is to risky and they are fighting their own people.

Then the military/national guard would have to get involved. If they had them confiscate the guns in their own areas and potential shoot people they know then you would see mass refusals and defections. If they were moved around say a National Guard unit from Maryland working Utah then the defections and refusals would lessen but you would still have military personnel, many of who are private gun owners anyways, refusing to carry out the orders.

So in short it is not like it would be private citizens v. an intact government. It would be those for taking the guns v. those agaisnt it.
 
well that post certainly justifies something



now that we know the doomsday scenario, can't we just lock this thread?
 
Scat said:
Too add, there was also an attack at a school in China today where 22 students and a teacher were attacked. The weapon? A knife. Are we to start controlling knives as well?
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I heard about that attack. Everyone survived, last I heard. So, if I had to choose between these men carrying guns and carrying knives, I'd vote for knives.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Scat said:
Research what 5 gallons of diesel and a bag of ammonium sulfate (fertilizer) can do. Very easy to use and easily causes as much damage as today's tragedy.
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If you don't have experience in making bombs, it's not that easy to get it to blow up when you want it too. Recently, I recall many more cases of failed bombings that actual bombings.
 
moevillini said:
well that post certainly justifies something



now that we know the doomsday scenario, can't we just lock this thread?
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That is what I think would happen if the government tried to confiscate all guns. I could be compeltely wrong but that is what I think would happen.

The governemnt will not make that order so I am not worried about it. Personally I agree with Candrew. A few laws will be passed/renewed (such as the assault weapons ban) but they will expire within a dozen years and nothing will be truly accomplished.
 
Stoked said:
That is what I think would happen if the government tried to confiscate all guns. I could be compeltely wrong but that is what I think would happen.

The governemnt will not make that order so I am not worried about it. Personally I agree with Candrew. A few laws will be passed/renewed (such as the assault weapons ban) but they will expire within a dozen years and nothing will be truly accomplished.
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I agree with all of this.

Too big a deal is being made by a bunch of paranoid people.
 
SaltyDawg said:
My take is that if nobody was fighting against it the laws would be much worse.

An I paranoid? Or are you naive?
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Probably a little of both :)
 
The NRA just called for an armed officer/guard in schools.

The New York Times just tried to rip them a new one and argues that doing so only furthers the problem and is a very bad idea.
 
Stoked said:
The NRA just called for an armed officer/guard in schools.

The New York Times just tried to rip them a new one and argues that doing so only furthers the problem and is a very bad idea.
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Well it's about time the other side of this debate finally hit the national media.
 
Interesting chart:

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Stoked said:
The NRA just called for an armed officer/guard in schools.

The New York Times just tried to rip them a new one and argues that doing so only furthers the problem and is a very bad idea.
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I like this idea of having armed officers or guards in schools... the hard part about it would be how to fund it.
Maybe make a gun tax on all guns sold or on concealed licenses and have all the money from the tax go towards paying for these officers.

Or legalize marijuana and use money from pot sales to pay for it.
 
I also saw that there is talk of legislation to make it illegal to sell guns privately like on ksl and at gun shows (no background checks).... I think this is a good idea as well.
 
fishonjazz said:
I also saw that there is talk of legislation to make it illegal to sell guns privately like on ksl and at gun shows (no background checks).... I think this is a good idea as well.
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I don't see what good adding more regulations to private sales will do. Let's not get carried away, this nutjob didn't buy his guns off ksl or a gun show. He stole them from his mom.
 
1. Banning guns won't help anyone.
2. There is no such thing as a "assault weapon" Every gun is an "assault weapon" I don't care if its a .22 or AK47. It can kill.
3. Drugs are illegal. People still get them. Criminals will still get there hands on guns and shoot everyone up like a shooting gallery

That is all.
 
One Brow said:
I heard about that attack. Everyone survived, last I heard. So, if I had to choose between these men carrying guns and carrying knives, I'd vote for knives.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html



If you don't have experience in making bombs, it's not that easy to get it to blow up when you want it too. Recently, I recall many more cases of failed bombings that actual bombings.
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Ugh.. put gunpowder in a closed common household container, light fuse and throw.... Yeah real hard.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I don't see what good adding more regulations to private sales will do. Let's not get carried away, this nutjob didn't buy his guns off ksl or a gun show. He stole them from his mom.
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It wouldn't have helped in that particular shooting (unless her mom had bought the guns from a privat seller) but i think it could help to stop some crimes in the future.
 
reignman40 said:
1. Banning guns won't help anyone.
2. There is no such thing as a "assault weapon" Every gun is an "assault weapon" I don't care if its a .22 or AK47. It can kill.
3. Drugs are illegal. People still get them. Criminals will still get there hands on guns and shoot everyone up like a shooting gallery

That is all.
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If it becomes against the law for websites like ksl and gun shows to sell guns without background checks, then criminals will still be able to get guns, but it will make it a little more difficult for them by taking away that 1 option.
 
fishonjazz said:
It wouldn't have helped in that particular shooting (unless her mom had bought the guns from a privat seller) but i think it could help to stop some crimes in the future.
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fishonjazz said:
If it becomes against the law for websites like ksl and gun shows to sell guns without background checks, then criminals will still be able to get guns, but it will make it a little more difficult for them by taking away that 1 option.
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It's not really a complete thought unless we mention that 1 option in question hasn't historically been a problem.
 
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