Utah allows carry on all campuses and always has. There has never been a shooting at a Utah university/campus
Gun Control
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Utah allows carry on all campuses and always has. There has never been a shooting at a Utah university/campus
Must be a freaky coincidence...
Very long thread I can't read. I think there should be training and licensing like operating a motor vehicle, and different licenses for different classes of weapons. I don't think gun control will reduce crimes, as this has not been the case in cities and counties where high-powered and assault weapons are banned. I think the media are being very subjective in hyping up the gun-control issue with a political agenda behind it.
Gun owners need to be held responsible for the guns they own and whomever gets their hands on those guns. I don't think guns should be outlawed in and of themselves. Acts of murder, armed robbery and assault are already illegal and carry heavy penalties. Changing the weapon system doesn't eliminate criminal acts or motives. I do think guns should be kept out of the hands of minors.
Gun owners need to be held responsible for the guns they own and whomever gets their hands on those guns. I don't think guns should be outlawed in and of themselves. Acts of murder, armed robbery and assault are already illegal and carry heavy penalties. Changing the weapon system doesn't eliminate criminal acts or motives. I do think guns should be kept out of the hands of minors.
yah. A lot of water under this bridge.
well, the "Constitutional" issue is just applicable to the Federal government. Except most states have some similar constitutional rendition of the Bill of Rights of their own.
I don't like the laws we have. Net effect on me, since I travel quite a bit and can't stand to research all the jurisdictions I have to pass thorugh, is I never take a gun. Stupid laws.
the standard legal principles of torts already covers negligence and damages resulting from irresponsibility. Common sense covers the rest of what you said better than any law ever will.
I was taught as a child what a gun is, and what it does, and how to use it effectively. Nine year old with a 45 magnum. Don't ever get silly in the head with a gun in your hand. No lock needed. My dad kept his guns somehow, I don't know where. I never saw one sitting within my reach as a child.
you are right about the politicization and insanity of the hype.
Automobiles are responsible for more deaths each year than guns. If the goal is to preserve human life, then we might start by reducing the number of cars and licensed drivers. At the same time, the majority of gun deaths (over 60%) are attributed to suicide. To reduce these deaths, we should look at the question of why people would want to kill themselves. Perpetrators of violent crimes are likely to use other weapons to harm people. If they're willing to kill or rob in the first place, they are also likely willing to use an illegal weapon to do it.
An increasingly centralized government is restrained by and afraid of individuals who protect their personal sovereignty by owning a fire arm. This is precisely what the authors of the U.S. Constitution intended. I say this as someone who does not own a gun, nor ever intends to own one. Asking people to turn in or destroy the fire arms they already have is unconstitutional, impractical and pointless. I don't see how in the world that would happen regardless of the public's or media's sentiment, which incidentally are irrelevant.
An increasingly centralized government is restrained by and afraid of individuals who protect their personal sovereignty by owning a fire arm. This is precisely what the authors of the U.S. Constitution intended. I say this as someone who does not own a gun, nor ever intends to own one. Asking people to turn in or destroy the fire arms they already have is unconstitutional, impractical and pointless. I don't see how in the world that would happen regardless of the public's or media's sentiment, which incidentally are irrelevant.
I absolutely don't think suicides should ever be used when they calculate gun deaths. I also think they should exclude lawful uses of deadly force. Take those two things away and lets look at the real number of gun deaths. I'm not saying it will suddenly seem like an insignificant number, but it will at least be an honest number.
And I know bringing up auto deaths is an eyroller for gun control advocates, but in reality we could almost eliminate auto deaths by reducing the speed limit to 25mph on all streets all the time with aggressive enforcement and physical features on the road that make driving too fast uncomfortable. But we don't want to save "just one life" bad enough to put up with having to drive slow. Yet the "if we can save just one life then we need to do it" argument for gun control seems to be accepted by many.
Because you'll find no immature drunks doing stupid things on college campuses, just completely sober, rational law-abiders and mass murders, so there is no reason to pass laws assuming any other sort of people exist?
So banning guns on campus makes sense because there are irresponsible drunks on campus? Come on man, that's weak.
Is that true for every campus that has ever allowed guns?
You're saying that immature people don't do stupid things with guns, or that they never wear guns when they go drinking?
I know you're too rational to believe that people refuse to handle guns when they are irrational.
So if being rational is the bench mark, do you oppose the AWB since it is irrational?
I'm not saying any of that, I'm saying that using the stereotype of stupid drunk college kids as a justification for restricting gun possession is not a strong or convincing argument.
This is a joke, right? Why exactly do you assume that "immature drunks" are going to obey the rules?
If I were a local representative then I'd put in a bill requiring all skiiers to wear safety harnesses hooked to ziplines just to piss off all the gun control/wear your seatbelt cause I have to pay for it freaks in my office who perform deadly/expensive ski activities all winter long on the public's dime.
I don't have enough knowledge of the details of the ban to support or oppose it. You didn't even specify if you mean the ban that already expired, or some future version.
I agree that any ban that has no practical effect is pointless.
I don't. That's why you limit availability.
What would some hypothetical strong arguments for gun control look like? If you are reflexively opposed to any arguments for gun control, then of course you won't find this convincing.
However, my main point was not that drunken college kids was the main argument for keeping guns out of schools, but that lines of thought which delineated the campus residents into "criminals who will have guns no matter what" and "rational people who won't misuse guns" were ill-founded and inaccurate.
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The best way to control guns is to make ammo almost impossible to get. It's ****ing annoying.
Yup. Went to Sportsmans Wharehouse and their shelves were empty as well. They had signs up limiting 1 firearm purches per customer, 2 clips per customer and 1 bulk ammo (250+) per customer.
Annoying as hell.
Very poor arguement for numerous reasons.