The media I read said Obama also did it, but it was exacerbated greatly under Trump. In fact, I read about Obama's treatment of illegal immigrants before Trump was elected. The media you read never told you that?
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The media I read said Obama also did it, but it was exacerbated greatly under Trump. In fact, I read about Obama's treatment of illegal immigrants before Trump was elected. The media you read never told you that?
Zombie
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I think the 'media hates Trump' narrative is way overplayed. Look at the coverage around the Barr letter for example. So many so called mainstream media outlets are credulously reporting that letter as though it's the actual Mueller report, even though none of them have actually seen it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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When you barge into a conversation see if you can take a moment to figure out what it's about first.
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Just saying.
Get off Twitter. Stop calling anyone who disagrees or criticizes you the enemy.
Very simple basic stuff and the media would chill out. He reaps what he sows.
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Zombie
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Trump knows this, and it's exactly why he continues to do it. He doesn't want the press to behave any differently. He's perfectly happily being able to call any unflattering coverage "fake news" and it plays perfectly into the whole victim narrative the far right is so fond of these days.
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Actually i was just going to post that i think trump is happy that the media treats him the way it does. He uses it. It essentially works for him.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Which is exactly why I have been saying since before he was elected that his enemies would be wise to quit acting so deranged and focus only on things they can factually say about him.
Red
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You know, the only words remotely relevant that I wrote was: "Based on all his words, and actions like separation of children in our immigration crisis". And from that you found something "buried within"? Obama detained unaccompanied children. Trump separated children from families, yet, even that much is not revealed by my statement. I never even mentioned cages, lol, but you filled in all those blanks, deciding I don't know the reality? From "separation of children in immigration crisis", you deduce I've missed the reality. And apparently falsely attributed videos change everything, and support what, your reality?
I decided to look into this. I found an image from 2014 that was described as "miscaptioned" by Snopes:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/are-these-children-separated-by-obama/
I also found this, but without the actual photo, I'm not sure if it's the same as the one described above:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...correctly-tweets-democrats-mistakenly-tweete/
I also found these. These are misattributed as well?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...mmigrant-children-holding-area-tour/10780449/
I could go on with images like those from the Az. article, but maybe you can post the video you mention. I can't find it. Are you saying that because some images were not what they purported to be, that I am not grounded in reality on the subject? I did not go by the images in the first place, in forming an initial opinion, although, like our elected representatives, I was anxious to see what it looked like in the children detention facilities/camps. What am I to make of the genuine images? Those are not cages(?), or when they were built makes a difference? Why does when they were built make a difference? I thought Obama was no longer president. What am I to make of descriptions rendered by those representatives that were able to visit the facilities? They have no bearing on opinions I may form, I'm missing the reality there as well? Bear in mind I am not going to go by an image anyway, as powerful as an image can be, or a dramatic headline either, but did not the separation policy itself, as described by Sessions, occur during the present administration? And all the attendent problems that ensued when children were to be reunited? Was that not the Trump administration? I'm really not sure I'm detached from reality here, but I'll keep an open mind.
Joe Bagadonuts
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My point is that it's a fact that this situation existed before Trump, so much so that a large percentage of the evidence that the media presented when they turned the spotlight on this crisis actually had nothing at all to do with Trump. And why did such a situation exist? It's because illegal immigration is a real problem and has been for a long time. When parents (or worse, people who are not the actual parents) bring children across the border illegally it puts enforcement into a difficult position. For you, apparently, the claim that these people are seeking political asylum is enough to justify allowing them into the country. For me it is not, especially because they are going to be competing for jobs against the most vulnerable portion of our population.
At the core of all of this I have a feeling that we will never agree because you think that life ought to be fair, and I think that life is intrinsically unfair and that efforts to make life fair almost always have the opposite effect.
Red
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At literally every turn, he has delayed implementation of sanctions against Russia, and Russian interests. Research it. At every single occasion. I'm sorry, but it is a fact and impossible to miss.
https://qz.com/1535650/trump-insider-got-board-spot-after-us-lifted-sanctions-on-russian-company/
Red
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That's just one of the fundamental differences, and frequently cited as such, between liberals and conservatives.
Another difference between us is I detest a president who exudes cruelty. There's a reason some see him as the Troll-in-Chief, and much of his appeal is to people who are reveling in all the elites he trolls. They can't get enough of it, and it is best seen and witnessed at his rallies. I would have hoped we were better then to have elected a troll as president, but maybe it's the age we live in.
I do not, never have, and never will, regard cruelty as a leadership quality. It is a sign of great inner weakness. He's a bully is another way of looking at it, and I've never known a bully that was not a weak and cowardly person when the chips are down. I think Trump is a weak man's idea of a strong leader.
Hotdog
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No Red.
Actually, the way a lot of people have been responding to Trump has been wild over exaggerations combined with the need to virtue signal. Somehow that energy between those people who choose to take that side feed off each other and just make it worse by trying to top each others outrage.
I have consistently said he isnt a perfect man of ideal president, but I defend him because he is not accurately portrayed as a human being. All these so called morally superior people literally use harsher language to describe Trump than anything I have ever heard him say or do. Its unbelievable. You people here completely dehumanize him and put him on the level of some of the worst humans to ever live. Its a complete joke. There is are no facts to back up any of the nonsense that is spewed. Its all ridiculous hysteria.
Your conversations aren't hard to figure out.
Hotdog
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Do you pride yourself on being a difficult person?
Just to keep everyone up to date.
Believing in social justice is bad, it means you're a social justice warrior, which as awesome as that sounds, is actually bad.
Being virtuous and expecting virtue in our society and amongst our leaders is also bad, it's called "virtue signaling." It's bad because you're bullying non-virtuous people with your virtue and signaling other virtuous people to pile on.
So it's not very nice to people who want to live in a society with less social justice and less virtue, and they aren't taking it anymore! They've got their hero, their icon of social injustice and dis-virtue. They are going to laugh at you when they are able to destroy social justice, when their leader acts without virtue, and there's nothing you can do about it.
They live to troll that which is good.
Believing in social justice is bad, it means you're a social justice warrior, which as awesome as that sounds, is actually bad.
Being virtuous and expecting virtue in our society and amongst our leaders is also bad, it's called "virtue signaling." It's bad because you're bullying non-virtuous people with your virtue and signaling other virtuous people to pile on.
So it's not very nice to people who want to live in a society with less social justice and less virtue, and they aren't taking it anymore! They've got their hero, their icon of social injustice and dis-virtue. They are going to laugh at you when they are able to destroy social justice, when their leader acts without virtue, and there's nothing you can do about it.
They live to troll that which is good.
Depends on who is on the other side of the conversation.
Hotdog
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Gotta love the party of victimhood trying to flip it and call the party of self responsibility the party of victimhood.
So you know its super douchey to play the victim constantly, but you choose to be on the side of the victim players, while simultaneously deflecting and also using it as an insult?
Hotdog
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That was a good post. It was fun to read. It had sarcasm, but ironically was another way of virtue signaling. I found that amusing. Was that on purpose?
Hotdog
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Are you white?
Joe Bagadonuts
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I made a point about photos of children in cages that were attributed to Trump having actually come from the Obama era and you try to turn it into some sort of evidence that I don't follow media that reported the facts during the Obama presidency. Have fun chasing your demons. Your comment had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation so apparently you can't even figure out the conversations of a simpleton like me. If you think you have a point how about linking us to an article that showed the media getting all up in arms over the policy that Obama initiated to put children in cages.