Happy No Collusion Day Everyone

[Red]

No Red.

Actually, the way a lot of people have been responding to Trump has been wild over exaggerations combined with the need to virtue signal. Somehow that energy between those people who choose to take that side feed off each other and just make it worse by trying to top each others outrage.

I have consistently said he isnt a perfect man of ideal president, but I defend him because he is not accurately portrayed as a human being. All these so called morally superior people literally use harsher language to describe Trump than anything I have ever heard him say or do. Its unbelievable. You people here completely dehumanize him and put him on the level of some of the worst humans to ever live. Its a complete joke. There is are no facts to back up any of the nonsense that is spewed. Its all ridiculous hysteria.

No, NPC D4617, I do not find how I described Trump to be inaccurate or even close to being over the top. He is a cynic who understood how to speak to disaffected people in American society. Many demagogues have just that gift, and when societies are undergoing significant demographic, social, and cultural changes, it's just not unusual for such cynical strong man types to take advantage of the stress accompanying such changes in an effort to assume power.

Once elected, his core support will often relate to him in a cult-like dynamic. I see now that he has begun claiming yesterday that the Mueller investigation was an attempt to overthrow the government, and the people behind it were guilty of treason. Such a dangerous direction to go, and we should all recognize that fact! As I've noted many times, we can expect him to identify anybody who opposes him as an enemy of the people. Anybody who challenges him will be cast as un-American. Not at all unusual for this type of leader to conflate his being with the state. The only good press will be a compliant press, which is oblivious to the benefits of an adversarial press, something every president since Washington has endured.

I can assure you there are 10's of millions Americans that will not appreciate being identified as enemies of America. The president is not the state. And those of us who oppose this man are entitled to see ourselves as patriots in support of our constitution. Whether you like that or not.

 

[One Brow]

I made a point about photos of children in cages that were attributed to Trump having actually come from the Obama era and you try to turn it into some sort of evidence that I don't follow media that reported the facts during the Obama presidency.

Your weren't bring up the children in cages during your anti-Obama posts years ago.

If you think you have a point how about linking us to an article that showed the media getting all up in arms over the policy that Obama initiated to put children in cages.

How many would you like? I'll start with 3.

"Obama is being just as thickheaded -- and hardhearted."
https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/opinion/navarrette-obama-immigration-children/index.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsall...obama-immigrant-detention-policies-under-fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

 

[One Brow]

Are you white?

Everyone around me thinks that I am, therefore I am.

 

[Hotdog]

No, NPC D4617, I do not find how I described Trump to be inaccurate or even close to being over the top. He is a cynic who understood how to speak to disaffected people in American society. Many demagogues have just that gift, and when societies are undergoing significant demographic, social, and cultural changes, it's just not unusual for such cynical strong man types to take advantage of the stress accompanying such changes in an effort to assume power.

Once elected, his core support will often relate to him in a cult-like dynamic. I see now that he has begun claiming yesterday that the Mueller investigation was an attempt to overthrow the government, and the people behind it were guilty of treason. Such a dangerous direction to go, and we should all recognize that fact! As I've noted many times, we can expect him to identify anybody who opposes him as an enemy of the people. Anybody who challenges him will be cast as un-American. Not at all unusual for this type of leader to conflate his being with the state. The only good press will be a compliant press, which is oblivious to the benefits of an adversarial press, something every president since Washington has endured.

I can assure you there are 10's of millions Americans that will not appreciate being identified as enemies of America. The president is not the state. And those of us who oppose this man are entitled to see ourselves as patriots in support of our constitution. Whether you like that or not.

Oh, so 10's of millions of people dont like being vilvilif? Weird, because that is exactly how the left paints the right in America. Remember Hillary Clinton calling the right the deplorables? I dont understand how you completely ignore the other side of the argument here.

Trump doesn't need to say the things he is saying. Its how a whole bunch of people in this country feel. He isnt brainwashing anyone. People see his flaws and just go with it because they have no other choice. Its either lay down and get run over, or stand with the Orange Man.

And yes, Russia Gate was an attempt at over throwing a duly elected president. Plain and simple. You can keep trying to push the narrative even though the facts are out now. Its doesnt matter. You wont be changing any minds. Just like you didnt change mine when I guaranteed the results of the investigation. I even offered you a bet that you wouldnt take. I made the bet because of how obvious and easy it was to call. Its sad that your BS meter is that broken.

Is it not alarming to you that for two years you heard that there was evidence and facts that he was a Russian asset? Yet now, those facts and evidence are no where to be found? How do you not feel stupid for trusting the media and the left? Better yet, how in the world are you still believing it?

If you are that brainwashed when it comes to Russia Gate, how do you know you are not brainwashed into everything else you believe about Trump?

Maybe reality isnt what it seems. Just saying.

 

[Red]

At literally every turn, he has delayed implementation of sanctions against Russia, and Russian interests. Research it. At every single occasion. I'm sorry, but it is a fact and impossible to miss.

https://qz.com/1535650/trump-insider-got-board-spot-after-us-lifted-sanctions-on-russian-company/

But, we shall see what his words mean here:

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...ectualist&utm_campaign=Twitter&utm_term=Cheri


President Trump suggested on Wednesday that he is open to using the U.S. military to force Russia from Venezuela.

If Russia refuses to withdraw its military delegation in Venezuela, the United States is prepared to use military force to send them home, President Donald Trump suggested on Wednesday.

 

[One Brow]

Remember Hillary Clinton calling the right the deplorables?

No I don't. If you remember that, you are remembering her sentence inaccurately. She referred to sexists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and Islamophobes as "deplorables", and say they made up about half of Trumps supporters (for those inclined to understand basic English, meaning the other half were none of the above). I was always amused at the people wearing the 'Deplorable" t-shirts; I wanted to ask them which sub-group they identified with.

 

[babe]

Everyone around me thinks that I am, therefore I am.

If your colorlessness or particular shade of pigmentation is a social construct, you are a true liberal, I suppose.

But facts are not determined by opinions.

but hey, you be you.

 

[babe]

But, we shall see what his words mean here:

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...ectualist&utm_campaign=Twitter&utm_term=Cheri


President Trump suggested on Wednesday that he is open to using the U.S. military to force Russia from Venezuela.

If Russia refuses to withdraw its military delegation in Venezuela, the United States is prepared to use military force to send them home, President Donald Trump suggested on Wednesday.

@red.....

Some now think Trump has made his "deal with the Devil", so to speak. Meaning that with some political elements of the Establishment, he is moving towards the Centrist political hill, the "high Hill".....falling in line with the swampcritters he can't fire..... because they are nearly everybody, and nobody will be hired to replace them except more dedicated Establishment drones.

Proof of this is the choice of AG Barr, SCJ Cavanaugh…. a whole Junta of military chiefs long known to be on the world management wagon. Even Fox is moving Center.

America, from the Centrist position, is what Rand Paul and his dad call "The Problem"..... America the World Cop on the global beat. If it was a Bush league President, like Romney, we wouldn't be letting Russian military assistance go into Venezuela. It's be "The Cuban Missile Crisis" all over again, already.

There is a little war going on amongst the Dems. Naughty Barry and Mischievous Michele came a hair's breadth from being "found out" inciting race riots in Chicago, not because of the dedicated journalism of CNN...…. We all know that Obama threatened and intimidated, and secured compliance from his puppet Press and they don't dare, yet, overtly go against "HIM". But Rahm Emmanuel has jumped ship already, and he wouldn't do that without good reason.

Obama and Soros and Oprah are one faction pushing the "Young Turk" or "Social Justice" Dems. But Hillary and Biden are going to seize the Democratic "High Hill" or Moderate Dem Center. And, by degrees, our Press will leave the crazies high and dry.

In the "Rush To The Center", which will be the winning position, Trump might even tap Romney as his running mate for 2020.

Trump is going to do his own version of DACA and he will produce a TrumpCare that is economically superior to ObamaCare, and even Pelosi will sign off on it.

We will have a new "Monroe Doctrine" for the Americas as well..... Brazil will assume a role in it..... It'll be a sort of Trump "No Socialism in My Back Yard" thing..... but..... well, as "socialist" as we are for sure. It'll have lots of deals, lots of corporate prosperity, lots of global fascism for sure.

But hey..... it won't be rank idiocy driving America to the poorhouse.

 

[Hotdog]

No I don't. If you remember that, you are remembering her sentence inaccurately. She referred to sexists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and Islamophobes as "deplorables", and say they made up about half of Trumps supporters (for those inclined to understand basic English, meaning the other half were none of the above). I was always amused at the people wearing the 'Deplorable" t-shirts; I wanted to ask them which sub-group they identified with.

Oh. Well you got me there. She only said half of the base was deplorables.

Do you really think you just made a valid point there?

If you realy feel there is a distinction there, then why dont you apply that to what Trump said about Mexico sending their rapists. He didnt say all of them were. In fact he clarified as much. He could have meant two people for all we know. Which would be a factual statement.

But yet, you and other lefties just say he meant everyone.

Do you see the double standard yet?

 

[Stoked]

Everyone around me thinks that I am, therefore I am.

So we must identify as what those around us think?

 

[One Brow]

If your colorlessness or particular shade of pigmentation is a social construct, you are a true liberal, I suppose.

He asked if I was white. He wasn't asking for my shade of pigmentation (even albinos are pinkish, so he knows my skin is not the color of an eggshell), he was asking for my race, which is a social construct.

But facts are not determined by opinions.

Since there are no facts that determine race, this is irrelevant.

 

[babe]

He asked if I was white. He wasn't asking for my shade of pigmentation (even albinos are pinkish, so he knows my skin is not the color of an eggshell), he was asking for my race, which is a social construct.



Since there are no facts that determine race, this is irrelevant.

If there are no facts that determine race, what possible facts then determine "racism"????

Are we playing word games again???/ oh goody.

determined political wonks never quit making up their own terms and working the folks with made-up issues......

 

[One Brow]

If you realy feel there is a distinction there, then why dont you apply that to what Trump said about Mexico sending their rapists.

Clinton was correct that you will see more of those five "isms" in Trump supporters. Trump is wrong in implying that Mexican immigrants are more likely to be rapists than either the Mexicans that stay in Mexico or the Americans already living here.

But yet, you and other lefties just say he meant everyone.

I have never said Trump meant every Mexican, and I have never read it. Where have you read this?

Do you see the double standard yet?

Yes, but not where you think I should.

 

[One Brow]

So we must identify as what those around us think?

Ask Rachel Dolezal .

You can identify as green. People will still treat you how they see you. I get all the benefits of being treated as white.

 

[One Brow]

If there are no facts that determine race, what possible facts then determine "racism"????

Differential treatment based on superficial characteristics that people imagine form a legitimate basis for characterization.

What fact do you think could determine a race?

 

[babe]

Differential treatment based on superficial characteristics that people imagine form a legitimate basis for characterization.

What fact do you think could determine a race?

speed.....

 

[One Brow]

speed.....

I will take that as joke.

 

[babe]

Differential treatment is called "judgment" and "choice". It is actually a human right.

Under our system of government, unlike Marxist governments and Progressive governments generally, and unlike dictatorships, tribal rule, caste systems, Kingdoms, fascism, and warlord rule...… Our Government is based on theories of inherent human rights to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness..... and our government is proscribed from denying individual rights including but not limited to those enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

We have a duty as citizens of this nation to protect individual rights, and our laws generally provide for "equal treatment under the law" for all individuals, regardless and even specifically considering any kind of office or status you could consider powerful.

The progressive era has amounted to a wholesale assault on these sorts of "liberties" in the name of endless categories of special cases allegedly deserving special treatment.....

I don't have to smile at you if you are green, or refrain from words you might be sensitive to. It might be inconsiderate or even hateful.... it might be a term of derogation, like "Climate Denier" or whatever, but as Jesus said.... I am what I am, and you are what you are. uhhhmmm…… some kinds of actions rise to a level we can legislate under law to protect us from one another in meaningful ways..... but virtue cannot be legislated. That is what some call an "establishment of religion".

btw.... I consider Marxism a religion. Some "religions" assert or impose laws or beliefs. I don't think Marxsim or any other Statist line of doctrine/propaganda/belief is compatible with our system of government..... which is intended to be a limited government that leaves us "free" to some maximum degree to make our own judgments and choices.....

Some religions may not posit the possibility of any independent or sovereign "God", but the effort to deny such possibilities always results in people making up some other kind of "god" possessing absolute authority. It could be "society", even.... but mostly it turns out to be some few honchos who acquire the power to do whatever they want.

Propaganda, "Statist" credos of any kind, are always imposed on the public by every kind of Honcho.

The best government ever has been our government..... as bad as it's been, with all the atrocities we've done.... it's still the best government humans have ever done.

 

[babe]

I will take that as joke.

hooray!!!!!! I mark that down as one thing you got right.....

 

[babe]

I will take that as joke.

In 1974 I had a newspaper opinion column and did a piece on racism, in the generic sense you have described above, and got a nomination/invitation to the International Platform Association. I was embarrassed that such an organization would like a wonk like me.... I mean.... I try so hard to be different....

But people are universally uncomfortable with the unfamiliar, and we like what we know. Treating people different, who seem different in some superficial but obvious way..... is just the way we are.

But that is no excuse for abusing anyone.