Hayward to Boston

[Jason]

re: the RealGM piece: Jody of the DNews says he's posting an article shortly with quotes from the agent as well. I bet it is similar.

Agent will play the middle and claim it was all last minute but I have a super hard time believing Hayward didn't have his mind made up long ago and - of course - he's just new to the situation and didn't know how to tell the other no. When you're wanted and courted, you're going to feel amazing. He probably did want to go to all three places at some point in the last week. Crazy as Locke is I agree with his thought that he knew all about Utah, the good and bad. These other places show their best stuff on a recruiting visit and he can't see the bad. Hayward wanted a soft landing so why not go back to his college coach and the fanbase that cheered for HIM during the season. He wanted to be loved by someone new.

 

[fufo]

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[Spinoza]

re: the RealGM piece: Jody of the DNews says he's posting an article shortly with quotes from the agent as well. I bet it is similar.

Agent will play the middle and claim it was all last minute but I have a super hard time believing Hayward didn't have his mind made up long ago and - of course - he's just new to the situation and didn't know how to tell the other no. When you're wanted and courted, you're going to feel amazing. He probably did want to go to all three places at some point in the last week. Crazy as Locke is I agree with his thought that he knew all about Utah, the good and bad. These other places show their best stuff on a recruiting visit and he can't see the bad. Hayward wanted a soft landing so why not go back to his college coach and the fanbase that cheered for HIM during the season. He wanted to be loved by someone new.

What I think happened is that part of him knew he was leaving, while part of him wasn't sure. I've been in this exact situation with employers and relationships many times.

 

[akirac73]

Hayward is a straight up selfish coward. Period. I think most level headed Jazz fans can understand and accept his reasons for leaving, but the way he and his scummy agent handled this reeks of deceit, lies, narcissism, and overall unprofessionalism. I have newfound respect for guys like Paul George and CP3, as they did the right thing (being straight forward and honest)and gave their respective franchises a chance to avoid being left completely devastated and empty handed.

There's a famous saying that seems to always ring true..."A leopard can't change its spots". Your character is your character, you can lie and put up a false front all you want, but in the end your true character will be revealed for what you really are. Case in point: Derek Fisher. Now we can add Gordon Hayward as another example.

 

[Stoked]

re: the RealGM piece: Jody of the DNews says he's posting an article shortly with quotes from the agent as well. I bet it is similar.

Agent will play the middle and claim it was all last minute but I have a super hard time believing Hayward didn't have his mind made up long ago and - of course - he's just new to the situation and didn't know how to tell the other no. When you're wanted and courted, you're going to feel amazing. He probably did want to go to all three places at some point in the last week. Crazy as Locke is I agree with his thought that he knew all about Utah, the good and bad. These other places show their best stuff on a recruiting visit and he can't see the bad. Hayward wanted a soft landing so why not go back to his college coach and the fanbase that cheered for HIM during the season. He wanted to be loved by someone new.

This article says he drew up three distinct letter based on which team he chose. They were 90% complete and the final 10% on the Boston letter was done when he chose that team.

I don't really believe it but I don't think I will ever know what's true or not.

Either way he is gone and the Jazz, and most of their fans, will move forward.

 

[Nate505]

I dont think he really jerked the team around. I think that so much **** happened with every all-star going West and the Lebron leaving Cavs rumor, it just ended up making too much sense to go to the East. I genuinely believe the "it was a tough decision" thing. I just dont believe he was torn on July 4th, but the day or two before that, sure.

Well, at least someone does. Seemed like a pretty easy decision for him to me.

 

[Nate505]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246762/Gordon-Haywards-Agent-Explains-Events-Of-Free-Agency

Please tell me it's not just me that this looks insulting to anybody's intelligence? WOW! They expect us to believe this BS?

The more damage control they try to do, the more I detest him. I hope he has a DWill like career back east.

 

[Nate505]

This article says he drew up three distinct letter based on which team he chose. They were 90% complete and the final 10% on the Boston letter was done when he chose that team.

I don't really believe it but I don't think I will ever know what's true or not.

Either way he is gone and the Jazz, and most of their fans, will move forward.

I'm sure he put all three letters on the board and threw a dart at the one he'd post.

 

[Stoked]

The more damage control they try to do, the more I detest him. I hope he has a DWill like career back east.

If he does I wonder if anyone starts talking about how if you get to Utah you should stay in Utah.

DWill, Carroll, Hayward... lol

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also, some people probably forget as it was a pretty small footnote at the time, but last Summer DL did address a rumor (he denied it iirc) that Hayward had asked to be traded. So the accounts of Hayward leaving the Jazz with no warning or clue to his intentions the year prior may be wrong.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If he does I wonder if anyone starts talking about how if you get to Utah you should stay in Utah.

DWill, Carroll, Hayward... lol

Did Carroll say he should have stayed in Utah

He made a great career move. He became an All-Star in Atlanta and got a huge contract in Toronto. His career went way better after he left.

In the case of Dwill/Carroll it was more the injuries than anything.

 

[stitches]

Also, some people probably forget as it was a pretty small footnote at the time, but last Summer DL did address a rumor (he denied it iirc) that Hayward had asked to be traded. So the accounts of Hayward leaving the Jazz with no warning or clue to his intentions the year prior may be wrong.

If Hayward indeed asked to be traded and we didn't that's gross incompetence IMO. That should be fireable offense. I know there were rumors Hayward was unhappy and wanted to get traded to Boston, but the word that came out of it is that it was all fake and DL and Hayward had a talk about the rumor and what Hayward really wanted and so on and so forth. But yeah, if he truly told them I want out and they still didn't trade him... that's bad. That becomes all on DL.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Also, some people probably forget as it was a pretty small footnote at the time, but last Summer DL did address a rumor (he denied it iirc) that Hayward had asked to be traded. So the accounts of Hayward leaving the Jazz with no warning or clue to his intentions the year prior may be wrong.

I remember that, DL and someone else (Quin?) walked in on him in the Gym, said they had a glowing conversation and hayward acted surprised and seemed happy. hahahaha

 

[Stoked]

Did Carroll say he should have stayed in Utah

He made a great career move. He became an All-Star in Atlanta and got a huge contract in Toronto. His career went way better after he left.

In the case of Dwill/Carroll it was more the injuries than anything.

This is what I was jokingly alluding to. Since it was injuries that did DWill in I took the Hayward comment to mean a career derailed by injuries.

 

[fgcamel]

I think the worst part about Hayward to Celtics is think leaving for Boston was part of the plan for a while now. Even had the Jazz taken the Warriors to 7 games, I think still leaves. He didn't want to be here anymore.... there just isn't a more simple way to look at it. He's probably a good dude overall, but he's also a little bit of a douche imo.

Sorry, but there is no way a player bolts after taking the warriors to 7 games.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Hayward indeed asked to be traded and we didn't that's gross incompetence IMO. That should be fireable offense. I know there were rumors Hayward was unhappy and wanted to get traded to Boston, but the word that came out of it is that it was all fake and DL and Hayward had a talk about the rumor and what Hayward really wanted and so on and so forth. But yeah, if he truly told them I want out and they still didn't trade him... that's bad. That becomes all on DL.

I disagree. The Jazz put together a great team. Without injuries it would have been 60 wins and likely a conference finalist. I think that would have convinced Hayward to stay. They Jazz took a gamble and failed, I dont blame them.

What could the Jazz have really gotten for trading him in his contract year? Does Boston really give up anything knowing they had a great chance of scoring him for free? Did the whole NBA know the rumblings? If Butler and George dont go West, does Hayward still go to Boston?

IMO it was better to try.

 

[Diamond77]

I think Hayward decided long ago to go to Boston. That sucks but fine OK.

Everyone knew that Hayward will join the Celtics except the Jazz front office...

 

[NAOS]

I disagree. The Jazz put together a great team. Without injuries it would have been 60 wins and likely a conference finalist. I think that would have convinced Hayward to stay. They Jazz took a gamble and failed, I dont blame them.

What could the Jazz have really gotten for trading him in his contract year? Does Boston really give up anything knowing they had a great chance of scoring him for free? Did the whole NBA know the rumblings? If Butler and George dont go West, does Hayward still go to Boston?

IMO it was better to try.

u acting like ****ward is KD. If I'm the GM of the jazz and he was rumbling, then he'd have been out the door in a hurry. The league didn't view him as a distressed asset and we could have netted a nice little return. It would have really helped us leap into the hypothetical post-GSW window.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

u acting like ****ward is KD. If I'm the GM of the jazz and he was rumbling, then he'd have been out the door in a hurry. The league didn't view him as a distressed asset and we could have netted a nice little return. It would have really helped us leap into the hypothetical post-GSW window.

Locke said a year ago a Boston FO member told him they were getting Hayward. He said he blew that off as just posturing at the time, but maybe it wasn't. Maybe everyone in the league expected this to happen but since the Jazz and Hayward's camp is so tight (and the media didnt really care about him until a month ago) it just never got out to the public sphere.

 

[zman1527]

Thanks Gordon for the great years and for the gracious goodbye letter. Last year was amazing, I had thought you had plateaued but you took it to another level. Best of luck in Boston, I hope that you guys challenge the Cavs every year.

I for one will be rooting for you going forward, in thanks for all your good years here. Ignore the small-minded people here posting all sorts of ugly stuff about you. I guess their lives are so shallow and empty that they cannot just appreciate past effort and respect a man's decision to move on to a better place. OF COURSE, they would ALL turn down a better job to show absolute loyalty to their current employer. Of course they would.