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Hayward vs Kanter as a number one option

Jazz4ever

Jazz4ever

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Below are their per36 numbers so far this preseason with the ever important true shooting thrown in. Generally speaking if your TS% is below 50 you are not first option material. Kanter is looking like a serviceable first option, Hayward is not, but is an incredible jack of all trades. Both players TS% has (predictably) taken a hard hit so far compared to last year, due to playing against starters full time. I'll update this again at the end of preseason.

Hayward Per36

18.3 ppg
5.1 rpg
6.7 apg
TS%: 45.9%

Kanter Per36

18.8 ppg
7.8 rpg
0.8 apg
TS%: 54.6%

Al Jefferson 2012/13 TS%: 53%
Paul Millsap 2012/13 TS%: 55%
 
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None of them. Both Hayward and Kanter would be great #2 options on a NBA - Roster. If i had to pick one i would stick with Kanter assuming he can reduce his freaking TO-Ratio which makes me mad. Kanter is the one who gets double teamed regularly thats why Gordon would be a great #2 option because he would benefit.

I like Gordon he is the Superman of this franchise he has a well rounded game in nearly every category!
 
Jazz4ever said:
Below are their per36 numbers so far this preseason with the ever important true shooting thrown in. Generally speaking if your TS% is below 50 you are not first option material. Kanter is looking like a serviceable first option, Hayward is not, but is an incredible jack of all trades. Both players TS% has (predictably) taken a hard hit so far compared to last year, due to playing against starters full time. I'll update this again at the end of preseason.

Hayward Per36

18.3 ppg
5.1 rpg
6.7 apg
TS%: 45.9%

Kanter Per36

18.8 ppg
7.8 rpg
0.8 apg
TS%: 52.3%

Al Jefferson 2012/13 TS%: 53%
Paul Millsap 2012/13 TS%: 55%
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That's garbage considering his excellent 3 point shooting and solid FTA's. Good thing it was a respectable .564 last season, not 45%.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Below are their per36 numbers so far this preseason with the ever important true shooting thrown in. Generally speaking if your TS% is below 50 you are not first option material. Kanter is looking like a serviceable first option, Hayward is not, but is an incredible jack of all trades. Both players TS% has (predictably) taken a hard hit so far compared to last year, due to playing against starters full time. I'll update this again at the end of preseason.

Hayward Per36

18.3 ppg
5.1 rpg
6.7 apg
TS%: 45.9%

Kanter Per36

18.8 ppg
7.8 rpg
0.8 apg
TS%: 52.3%

Al Jefferson 2012/13 TS%: 53%
Paul Millsap 2012/13 TS%: 55%
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1. You've miscalculated Kanter's stats. His TS% is .546. You've also rounded down where rounding up would be more appropriate.

2. True shooting isn't a very good measure of a player's ability to create. Spot up shooters with no on-ball ability frequently have high TS%. Players like Big Al, who are depended on to create offense for themselves and others, while also taking shots when the offense breaks down/in late shot clocks, are undervalued by TS%.
 
I still think Burke will be our #1 option. He will dominate the ball (as he should) and run the P&R and teams will cover Kanter and Favors more until he proves himself, which means more shots for him.

It's only one game, but in the GS game, he took the most shots. That didn't surprise me at all. It is his game. He can score. He can set others up after he gets going. Don't expect him to change, especially when this team doesn't really have a #1 option. Someone has to shoot the ball. Burke is probably our best option.
 
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I still think Burke will be our #1 option. He will dominate the ball (as he should) and run the P&R and teams will cover Kanter and Favors more until he proves himself, which means more shots for him.

It's only one game, but in the GS game, he took the most shots. That didn't surprise me at all. It is his game. He can score. He can set others up after he gets going. Don't expect him to change, especially when this team doesn't really have a #1 option. Someone has to shoot the ball. Burke is probably our best option.
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Hayward still had a pretty good game. I'd have to go back and look but didn't Hayward have 18/7/8 line vs GS?
 
I say Kanter 1a and Hayward 1b until we see more.

I think Kanter can get his own shot, but still needs work passing out.

Hayward has a tough time getting his own shot but if he gets cutters and people moving without the ball he is an adequate passer.

Burks should continue to be the main guy with the second unit, and play a supporting role with the starters. I don't want to give up on trying to develop him into something decent off ball while still utilizing his ability to get to the basket. He needs to learn to pass when he makes those moves though, will make him much more efficient and open things up more as people key on his tendencies. Just can't be so predictable even if he magically makes crazy stuff go in.

I can't think of anyone else that can, or I want creating their own shot yet.
 
I think this is what happens. Favors hangs back for the rebound. Kanter and Hayward release and Favors gets the ball to Burke. Burke pushes the ball up the court, and if he can make a play, he makes a play.

That is option #1 - Burke

Then they get into their halfcourt set. The ball will get swung around to Hayward, who will try to get the ball into the post for Kanter.

Option #2 - Kanter

Kanter will post up, taking the shot if he can. If not, or if the double team comes, he will kick the ball back out to Hayward for the three or hit the cutter.

Option #3 - Hayward or cutter (wing player)

Hayward will then take the three or swing it to the top of the key to Burke.

Option #4 - Burke.

Burke will either take the three, swing the ball to the other corner (Rush/Jefferson/Burks) or dump it down low to Favors.

Option #5 - Rush/Jefferson/Burks/Favors

Then, either Burke/Jefferson/Rush/Burks will go one on one to get a last second shot off.

Option #6

That is how I see the offense being run.

Back to option #2. If Hayward can't get the ball into the post, then it is back out to Burke and Favors for the P&R, with Hayward and another wing ready to hit the open three.
 
Here are the final preseason stats for Hayward and Kanter. I did them rather quickly so 100% accuracy not guaranteed. I threw in +/- per48 because Hayward and Kanter (especially) were quite poor.

Hayward
TS: .487
FG: .378
3PT: .500

PER36
19.5 ppg
5.7 rpg
6.0 apg
1.85 spg
0.31 bpg
3.23 TO

+/- (per48) : -4.7

Kanter
TS: .546
FG: .513
3PT: unsuccessfully whipped out

PER36
18.7 ppg
8.5 rpg
1.0 apg
.58 spg
.39 bpg
2.89 TO

+/- (per48): -11.8
 
I'm a Kanter homer like everyone else here. However, Kanter has yet to play against high quality opponents night in and night out. And IMO until we see that, I choose Hayward as #1. Kanter has the potential to be an amazing player. But until we see it night after night. I have to go with what I have seen so far. Not what I hope to see.
 
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