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Dr. Jones

Dr. Jones

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So we moved to Utah in 2005.
My wife hated it. Why? Because she is an on-fire Christian that loves meeting with the homeless, parentless, and anyone else at the bottom. She had only known people open to change, something better, God.

She got to Utah and hit a wall. People either already had "it" or didn't want "it."

She became way depressed.

I had a hard time in business. I had never had to deal with the Mormon connection way of doing biz.
I quickly overcame my worries, my wife needed far more time.

We've now been in Utah for 10 years straight. Longer than anywhere to date.

We were so glad to get out for the summer. Go to the Keys. Just as we did get away to MX last year.

Something happened. We are, for the first time, missing Utah. We are making lists of all the people we miss, things we'll do, and time we will spend together.

Why do j share this? No ****ingidea.
 
Thanks for sharing.
I enjoyed reading it and I'm happy that you guys are happy
 
I have been out of Utah for 4 years, California and now Boston. Still have yet to miss it. Mostly because of the air, every time we visit our family gets bronchitis.
 
Beantown said:
I have been out of Utah for 4 years, California and now Boston. Still have yet to miss it. Mostly because of the air, every time we visit our family gets bronchitis.
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That's fascinating. Does your family have some kind of allergy to you?
 
I hear Dr. Jones is heading home because he's arranging for a custom home to be sold/built for a big name basketball star who will be coming to Utah. Can't disclose the details, but the trade is very complicated and will take a few days to come together.

JK, Mr. PKM.

I don't know about this "Mormon" way of doing business. I've lived in Utah for a cumulative 25 years or so of my life and never ran into it. But is it just the tendency to do business with those you already know or ask trusted friends if they know anyone? I just spent $25K to upgrade and repair a lot of things in my home to get it ready to sell (not a lot perhaps, in comparison to others but it cashed me out so I had to get it right the first time). First thing I did was ask around my friends at church if they knew of landscapers, handymen, etc. Would have asked at work, but I travel 40 miles and the chances of someone traveling from Glendale to where I live to do small jobs is remote.

I know a plumber and electrician through my activity in church so I used them - as I've done in the past. I also know a contractor in my ward, but I had him do a job in the past, was very disappointed so he's not on my list of reliable people. Couldn't find anyone by asking around, so I went through Angie's list (failure), called friends of friends and believe it or not, ended up finding a great guy at Home Depot. And ended up using friends of his to do painting, etc.

I know if I were moving to StG, I'd probably ask the StG posters for recommendations on places to live, restaurants, entertainment, etc. whether they are LDS or not.

In short, maybe the "Mormon" way of business is no different from a "Baptist" or "Catholic" way. Would people of those faiths tend to ask around amongst themselves and frequent businesses owned by people they see every Sunday in their churches? Probably true.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I hear Dr. Jones is heading home because he's arranging for a custom home to be sold/built for a big name basketball star who will be coming to Utah. Can't disclose the details, but the trade is very complicated and will take a few days to come together.

JK, Mr. PKM.

I don't know about this "Mormon" way of doing business. I've lived in Utah for a cumulative 25 years or so of my life and never ran into it. But is it just the tendency to do business with those you already know or ask trusted friends if they know anyone? I just spent $25K to upgrade and repair a lot of things in my home to get it ready to sell (not a lot perhaps, in comparison to others but it cashed me out so I had to get it right the first time). First thing I did was ask around my friends at church if they knew of landscapers, handymen, etc. Would have asked at work, but I travel 40 miles and the chances of someone traveling from Glendale to where I live to do small jobs is remote.

I know a plumber and electrician through my activity in church so I used them - as I've done in the past. I also know a contractor in my ward, but I had him do a job in the past, was very disappointed so he's not on my list of reliable people. Couldn't find anyone by asking around, so I went through Angie's list (failure), called friends of friends and believe it or not, ended up finding a great guy at Home Depot. And ended up using friends of his to do painting, etc.

I know if I were moving to StG, I'd probably ask the StG posters for recommendations on places to live, restaurants, entertainment, etc. whether they are LDS or not.

In short, maybe the "Mormon" way of business is no different from a "Baptist" or "Catholic" way. Would people of those faiths tend to ask around amongst themselves and frequent businesses owned by people they see every Sunday in their churches? Probably true.
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I will answer this when I get back from dinner. It's not just the Mormon connection and a need to overcome not being Mormon to gain a trust level that would generally be there, more so, if I were Mormon, it's much more.
It's learning to communicate in a way that is drier (don't take offense to that guys). Meaning, Utah is a place that is not nearly as sarcastic as outside of Utah. Generally, people aren't nearly as motivated by ego and even try hard to seem more humble than they already are. <-------------- that led me to making changes in how I negotiate deals and just daily conversation.

What I am saying is very difficult to explain. Here's an analogy. In sales rooms across America, salespeople high-five after sales. In Utah the salesman is more left with this sinking feeling of "did I do the right thing?"

I think a lot of it is phony bologna stuff, but it's something that requires adaptation.

I am a far better business person/negotiator having been exposed to it, but it did take some work. Funny, every non Mormon I speak with that has moved into Utah says the exact same things.
 
Just arrived.

Holy ****. It was equal parts badass and I will never ever do that again.

Good to be home.
 
Beantown said:
I have been out of Utah for 4 years, California and now Boston. Still have yet to miss it. Mostly because of the air, every time we visit our family gets bronchitis.
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I can't believe no one has had the decency to ask you this in the last week, but how do you have a new for bronchitis? I do believe no one else ever has time for that.
 
Dr. Jones said:
I will answer this when I get back from dinner. It's not just the Mormon connection and a need to overcome not being Mormon to gain a trust level that would generally be there, more so, if I were Mormon, it's much more.
It's learning to communicate in a way that is drier (don't take offense to that guys). Meaning, Utah is a place that is not nearly as sarcastic as outside of Utah. Generally, people aren't nearly as motivated by ego and even try hard to seem more humble than they already are. <-------------- that led me to making changes in how I negotiate deals and just daily conversation.

What I am saying is very difficult to explain. Here's an analogy. In sales rooms across America, salespeople high-five after sales. In Utah the salesman is more left with this sinking feeling of "did I do the right thing?"

I think a lot of it is phony bologna stuff, but it's something that requires adaptation.

I am a far better business person/negotiator having been exposed to it, but it did take some work. Funny, every non Mormon I speak with that has moved into Utah says the exact same things.
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Yea, I own a restaurant here in St George. I am always concerned "Did I take care of my customers?, even though they said "It was good". People here are always nice, and you never know if you messed up and it is going to come back and bite you.
 
Dr. Jones said:
I will answer this when I get back from dinner. It's not just the Mormon connection and a need to overcome not being Mormon to gain a trust level that would generally be there, more so, if I were Mormon, it's much more.
It's learning to communicate in a way that is drier (don't take offense to that guys). Meaning, Utah is a place that is not nearly as sarcastic as outside of Utah. Generally, people aren't nearly as motivated by ego and even try hard to seem more humble than they already are. <-------------- that led me to making changes in how I negotiate deals and just daily conversation.

What I am saying is very difficult to explain. Here's an analogy. In sales rooms across America, salespeople high-five after sales. In Utah the salesman is more left with this sinking feeling of "did I do the right thing?"

I think a lot of it is phony bologna stuff, but it's something that requires adaptation.

I am a far better business person/negotiator having been exposed to it, but it did take some work. Funny, every non Mormon I speak with that has moved into Utah says the exact same things.
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Yea, I own a restaurant here in St George. I am always concerned "Did I take care of my customers?, even though they said "It was good". People here are always nice. You never know if you messed up, and it is going to come back and bite you. People here are hard to read. Did you do good?
 
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