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honestly...**** EARL WATSON.

Why **** Watson? Players bitch all the time.

Corbin's the dumbass who decided to play him. Probably killed our playoff chances.
 
I'd be willing to bet that KOC used playing time as a selling point when signing Earl and Howard. Otherwise, it would make NO sense that Earl would threaten to talk to his agent. He's been around for long enough to know that nobody is entitled to playing time, unless for some reason, playing time was talked about when the contract was signed. If this is the case, then he'll likely get his minutes for the rest of the year, and then get traded in the offseason. In any case, if Utah used playing time as an incentive to sign here, they have to honor it. Otherwise, word gets around among players, and it could hinder us from signing FAs in the future. Obviously, we can't afford to be hindered any more than we already are.

Also, Utah needs to nip this kind of thing in the ***. They kinda gave in to Raja last year, which is why some of us wanted him traded at the begining of the year. Our FO only creates problems when they keep a player around that pulls this ****.
 
write4u said:
Tinsley is not going to bitch. He's learned his lesson after making mistakes early in his career. He already has proved his worth, so if the Jazz don't resign him, you know someone else will. But once again, as with Matthews and Bell, the Jazz appear to be making a bad choice, a choice that anyone with any basketball knowledge can see is wrong. But then, you never know what they're thinking or what their plans for next year are.
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The Mathews deal does not appear to be the wrong decision any longer. I said it then and still believe that guy got too much money.
 
freakazoid said:
I'd be willing to bet that KOC used playing time as a selling point when signing Earl and Howard. Otherwise, it would make NO sense that Earl would threaten to talk to his agent. He's been around for long enough to know that nobody is entitled to playing time, unless for some reason, playing time was talked about when the contract was signed. If this is the case, then he'll likely get his minutes for the rest of the year, and then get traded in the offseason. In any case, if Utah used playing time as an incentive to sign here, they have to honor it. Otherwise, word gets around among players, and it could hinder us from signing FAs in the future. Obviously, we can't afford to be hindered any more than we already are.

Also, Utah needs to nip this kind of thing in the ***. They kinda gave in to Raja last year, which is why some of us wanted him traded at the begining of the year. Our FO only creates problems when they keep a player around that pulls this ****.
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This sort of makes sense. However if they promised playing time then they are stupid. Hinting at playing time, Showing that they have playing time is different than promising it. I would be troubled but not surprised to learn that they used playing time to sign all of Bell, Howard and Watson.
 
freakazoid said:
I'd be willing to bet that KOC used playing time as a selling point when signing Earl and Howard. Otherwise, it would make NO sense that Earl would threaten to talk to his agent. He's been around for long enough to know that nobody is entitled to playing time, unless for some reason, playing time was talked about when the contract was signed. If this is the case, then he'll likely get his minutes for the rest of the year, and then get traded in the offseason. In any case, if Utah used playing time as an incentive to sign here, they have to honor it. Otherwise, word gets around among players, and it could hinder us from signing FAs in the future. Obviously, we can't afford to be hindered any more than we already are.

Also, Utah needs to nip this kind of thing in the ***. They kinda gave in to Raja last year, which is why some of us wanted him traded at the begining of the year. Our FO only creates problems when they keep a player around that pulls this ****.
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I don't think KOC promises playing time. His job is to get players and the coach's job is to play who he thinks gives them the best chance of winning. Fans will always debate how both the GM and Coach are doing their jobs. If "keeping your word" is more important than winning then the Millers should sell the team and start a church. Owning an NBA team is a business and while in business you should have ethics, the may objective is to win.

Promising playing time is bad business and would undermined the coach's ability to coach. If what you are saying is true then the Jazz will never win a championship. I would also state that Sloan would never agreed to it and I don't see any coach that would agree to guaranteed minutes. Thankfully, I don't think this is true. I certainly do not understand how Corbin cannot see that Tinsley is the better overall player. I think a better explanation is that Corbin is inexperienced and has too many choices to make or he is just way over his head being a head coach.
 
freakazoid said:
I'd be willing to bet that KOC used playing time as a selling point when signing Earl and Howard. Otherwise, it would make NO sense that Earl would threaten to talk to his agent. He's been around for long enough to know that nobody is entitled to playing time, unless for some reason, playing time was talked about when the contract was signed. If this is the case, then he'll likely get his minutes for the rest of the year, and then get traded in the offseason. In any case, if Utah used playing time as an incentive to sign here, they have to honor it. Otherwise, word gets around among players, and it could hinder us from signing FAs in the future. Obviously, we can't afford to be hindered any more than we already are.

Also, Utah needs to nip this kind of thing in the ***. They kinda gave in to Raja last year, which is why some of us wanted him traded at the begining of the year. Our FO only creates problems when they keep a player around that pulls this ****.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to freakazoid again.
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This is part of my take on Raja as well as promising him they have a winning culture and would do everything they could to make a run at it. Then they kept CJ and let him shoot to his heart's content.
 
Am I missing something? When did Earl complain? Provide a link so I can get on board with this. Otherwise Earl doesn't deserve all this hate, Corbin does. I agree that Tinsley is better and should get the minutes over Watson, but Watson doesn't decide who plays and who doesn't, the coach does.

I want A link to prove he is acting like Bell. It wasn't long ago we were all singing his praises, and wanted him to start. I want a link that shows Earl was pulling a Raja Bell, otherwise you all sound like little bitches. If their is a link that proves this sorry for calling you bitches.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Am I missing something? When did Earl complain? Provide a link so I can get on board with this. Otherwise Earl doesn't deserve all this hate, Corbin does. I agree that Tinsley is better and should get the minutes over Watson, but Watson doesn't decide who plays and who doesn't, the coach does.

I want A link to prove he is acting like Bell. It wasn't long ago we were all singing his praises, and wanted him to start. I want a link that shows Earl was pulling a Raja Bell, otherwise you all sound like little bitches. If their is a link that proves this sorry for calling you bitches.
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He said "Too bad the trade deadline has passed" and "I will have to talk to my agent about my future". Worst part is, this all came at a high point for the Jazz, so he had no right to complain at all. Raja's came at a time when the Jazz were struggling and his complaints were about how the offense sucked and had no movement, which was valid.
 
cowhide said:
I don't think KOC promises playing time. His job is to get players and the coach's job is to play who he thinks gives them the best chance of winning. I would also state that Sloan would never agreed to it and I don't see any coach that would agree to guaranteed minutes.
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Thanks for clarifying job desciptions. Sorry to say, but you'd have to be a bit naive if you believe GMs in the NBA never get involved in coaching decisions, and in a few cases, vice versa. Comparing Sloan to Corbin is pretty funny. Jerry Sloan definately had his hand in which players Utah drafted, as well as which players we went after in free agency. I believe there was interview in which KOC admitted he was a Chris Paul guy, and that they went with Deron because that's who Sloan wanted. It sounds to me like you think Corbin pulls the same kinda weight, which is completely ridiculous.

As for coaches agreeing to guaranteed minutes, I didn't say anything about a guarantee. I doubt they would use that particular word, but it really doesn't matter. If they talked about getting playing time as an incentive to sign here, then they have to follow through with it, at least to a point. As for Corbin not agreeing to something, I LOL at that idea as well. Corbin wakes up every day and thanks God he still has a head coaching job.

cowhide said:
If "keeping your word" is more important than winning then the Millers should sell the team and start a church. Owning an NBA team is a business and while in business you should have ethics, the may objective is to win.
Promising playing time is bad business and would undermined the coach's ability to coach..
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It is a business. It's a business in which Utah is at a disadvantage when competing for FAs. But sure, they should just say whatever they have to in order to sign guys, and then go back on their word. I'm sure that won't backfire. Either that, or they should just never use playing time as a selling point when signing FAs. They should just sit back and wait for FAs to come knocking on the door, and then only sign them if they're desperate to play for us. Sounds like a solid idea.

cowhide said:
Promising playing time is bad business and would undermined the coach's ability to coach. I certainly do not understand how Corbin cannot see that Tinsley is the better overall player. I think a better explanation is that Corbin is inexperienced and has too many choices to make or he is just way over his head being a head coach.
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I certainly don't know that this was the case. I'm just putting two and two and two together. Earl was pretty close to signing with another team, Atlanta I think, right before he signed with the Jazz. Then when he's not playing, he threatens to talk to his agent, and Utah caves. Earl is a vet who knows how it is in the NBA. I see absolutely no reason why he would go to this extreme, unless he felt like he passed on another opportunity, due to something he felt Utah said when selling him on signing here.

As for it being bad business, I think you fail to comprehend the magnitude of Utah's disadvantage in signing FAs. Playing time is one of the few things we can sell them on, without just flat out overpaying.

cowhide said:
Owning an NBA team is a business and while in business you should have ethics, the may objective is to win.
If what you are saying is true then the Jazz will never win a championship. .
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Nah, I'm pretty sure KOC knows his business better than you do. Utah will be in the WCF within 3 years, and it won't be because they stop signing FAs by offering regular playing time.
 
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"It's very possible, even likely, that you'll be in the rotation. We're seeing you as the primary backup at PG, and if you play well enough, you will probably get even more minutes"

Not very hard to figure out how to do. I'm not saying I know the truth, what I am saying is that this is all far more complex than we see on the surface.
 
Earl's comments certainly rub me the wrong way, though. I don't know how they couldn't.
 
Also, it's usually a good thing when you have guys that are just flat-out competitive. It can come back to bite you sometimes, though.
 
is he still on the team?
is he still getting playing time?

if so **** watson **** him right up the ***.
if he plays a single minute tonight i'm turning of the game and going to bed

**** watson
 
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